[qlpsecond]

2/1 system
2m promises 4+ cards and GF.
Opening 1NT with 5 cards major need 3 cards OM, and 1/3 honor in doubleton.

You hold AQx AQxxx KJx xx, so you opened 1H.
Partner responded 2D.

your rebid?

thanks!

[whereagles]

I'll make the bid that shows a balanced 15-17 that doesn't fit a 1NT opening.

If you don't know what that bid is, then this is a good example of the trouble one gets into by putting hcp location (1/3 honor in doubleton) ahead of more important things like shape and strength.

[helene_t]

3 ♦ which hopefully shows extras.

[trevahound]

2♠, right? What else is there? I suppose 3♦ and 2♥ are both reasonable as well, but seems like partner might want to know where else I live.

[qlpsecond]

If you opened 1NT with this hand, it is OK. In fact, I play this style for several years.

In the book fo Max Hardy, you could not open 1NT.

The question arised.

3D need 4 cards. On the other hand, if the declarer had to ruff with your trump, the entry management of trump may be in danger.

How about the 2H rebid? Of course 2H promises 12~14 HCP only, and the opener could show strength later?

[mike777]

3d which for me will not promise extras.

If pard rebids 3nt I should be able to rebid 4nt to show this type hand.
If pard rebids 3h slam try then no problem.
I expect pard to have 5d on this auction very often.

a typical minimum hand for partner will be:

Jxx...Kx..AQxxx...Axx

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[lycier]

If pd bid 2♦ only with 4 cards,I am sure that pd should have 3+ cards ♥.For me,3♦ is a good option,others are not good.

[the hog]

As stated by Whereagles, I make the bid that shows a bal hand with 5H and this point count? Oh. you don't have one, then perhaps there is a big hole in your system. Btw rebidding 2S is a lol. 2H or 3D is better.

[whereagles]

qlpsecond, on 2014-July-25, 11:46, said:

In the book fo Max Hardy, you could not open 1NT.

In his book Hardy tried to please everybody and ended up digging systemic holes in the process. For instance, his openers were 12.5+ HCP, so they were both sound and light at the same time. His 1NT was 15.5-18 so that hogs could happily steal their usual 1 HCP to the 16-18 NT. This requirement of 5-3 majors for a 5-card major 1NT opener falls into a similar category.

In short, some of the stuff there is clearly political and doesn't care much for the aftermath rebid problems. I wouldn't take those anti-systemic recommendations too seriously

[kenrexford]

trevahound, on 2014-July-25, 11:46, said:

2♠, right? What else is there? I suppose 3♦ and 2♥ are both reasonable as well, but seems like partner might want to know where else I live.

I agree with the first part. If you strangely don't open 1NT because of the doubleton diamond, rebidding that suit seems to defy sanity, looking at the two decisions together. The obvious consistent option is the 2H rebid, living with what might be a Moysian contract and the right contract anyway.

[Zelandakh]

For this system to work it seems clear that a 2NT rebid has to show 15-17. This puts a lot of extra pressure on a 2♥ rebid but these hands have to go somewhere. If this is not right then the OP has to explain how the system fits together before anyone can provide any sensible advice.

[PhilKing]

In the absence of a systemic solution, I try 3♦.

[Fluffy]

I have a balanced hand, I rebid NT

[gordontd]

Zelandakh, on 2014-July-26, 07:18, said:

For this system to work it seems clear that a 2NT rebid has to show 15-17. This puts a lot of extra pressure on a 2♥ rebid but these hands have to go somewhere. If this is not right then the OP has to explain how the system fits together before anyone can provide any sensible advice.

I thought that for people who play these methods 3NT shows 15-17 - weaker or stronger hands rebid 2NT.

[Zelandakh]

gordontd, on 2014-July-27, 04:48, said:

I thought that for people who play these methods 3NT shows 15-17 - weaker or stronger hands rebid 2NT.

That is problematic because there is no way of checking back which side suit was the problem. I envisage the weaker balanced hands rebidding 2M followed by NT. But the OP ought to know their system better than either of us and I think some additional details of the version being used would certainly be appropriate.

[MrAce]

whereagles, on 2014-July-25, 11:10, said:

I'll make the bid that shows a balanced 15-17 that doesn't fit a 1NT opening.

If you don't know what that bid is, then this is a good example of the trouble one gets into by putting hcp location (1/3 honor in doubleton) ahead of more important things like shape and strength.

I agree with this.