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Lead out of turn (when both of the declaring side have agreed that hand is on lead)

#1 User is offline   lmilne 

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Posted 2014-August-19, 19:47

I'm sure this has been answered before, but...

The auction is over, EW are playing spades, and West has bid spades first.

South asks whose lead it is and both East and West agree that it is South's (when it is actually North's).

South leads and North points out that perhaps they shouldn't have. Should this simply be treated as a lead out of turn or are there other considerations? If it is simply a lead out of turn, doesn't this open the door to gamesmanship?
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Posted 2014-August-19, 22:32

As a Player, if our side had told the wrong person it was his/her lead, I would excercise Option Two. Accept the lead and lay down "dummy".

I wonder if I could get a Law 23 adverse ruling if our erroneous answer right-sided the contract.

Yes, your OP has been discussed before. But Ed will probably have a better response to your question.
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Posted 2014-August-20, 00:42

Law 47 E 1 said:

A lead out of turn (or play of a card) may be retracted without further rectification if the player was mistakenly informed by an opponent that it was his turn to lead or play. A lead or play may not be accepted by his LHO in these circumstances.

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Posted 2014-August-20, 01:04

Sven beat me to it. B-)
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Posted 2014-August-20, 01:47

View Postblackshoe, on 2014-August-20, 01:04, said:

Sven beat me to it. B-)

And me :)
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Posted 2014-August-20, 20:30

Thanks - exactly what I wanted.
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