We gots the minors 3N or 5m or part score?
#1
Posted 2014-September-05, 01:21
2♣ - (P) - ?
You are responder with ♠xx ♥KJx ♦AKQxxx ♣xx
System is vanilla 2/1, scoring IMPs, don't remember vulnerability.
Openings are relatively sound -- partner doesn't have 11 HCP unless the club suit is exceptional.
I think double by opener would be support (it certainly would be if I had responded hearts)
I'm pretty sure 2♠ is just generic force here. We have successfully used Western cuebids at the three level.
I also don't know if 2♥ promises 4 or just shows heart values. For certain, partner knows that after 1C-(P)-1D responder will only have a 4 card major if also has game forcing values.
In any case, using YOUR methods, what is your call and what is your plan for various rebids? (assume no further interference)
#2
Posted 2014-September-05, 02:01
2♥ is an option but it is a bit eccentric.
I prefer 2♠ follwoed by 3♦ if possible.
If partner than bids 3♥ over 3♦ you might raise.
Rainer Herrmann
#3
Posted 2014-September-05, 02:17
#4
Posted 2014-September-06, 16:44
Using my actual methods, 2♦ is an artificial inv+ force so I use that.
#5
Posted 2014-September-07, 03:09
#6
Posted 2014-September-12, 01:54
EricK, on 2014-September-07, 03:09, said:
No strong jump shifts, no inverted minors so we have the immediate 2D defined as a game forcing club raise with no major suit shortness. It never comes up.
In the unopposed auction 1C-1D-2C I would rebid 3D not forcing and expect to miss some games. With a couple more points I might try the idiosyncratic 2H.
#8
Posted 2014-September-12, 02:23
Cyberyeti, on 2014-September-06, 16:44, said:
Using my actual methods, 2♦ is an artificial inv+ force so I use that.
I like double showing 4 hearts (rather than 3 diamonds) might be the only way we find a 4-4 fit (or even a good 4-3) fit.
OTOH we are used to support doubles so I'm hesitant to suggest an exception for this specific auction
I also agree that perhaps 2D is better as artificial..
Can you give a quick summary of continuations or refer me to somewhere?
#9
Posted 2014-September-12, 02:28
#10
Posted 2014-September-12, 02:31
aleatory, on 2014-September-12, 02:23, said:
OTOH we are used to support doubles so I'm hesitant to suggest an exception for this specific auction
It is possible to agree that X always shows hearts when they bid 1♠ over our 1m. If you do this then it would be support that is the exception.
#12
Posted 2014-September-12, 03:18
aleatory, on 2014-September-12, 02:23, said:
OTOH we are used to support doubles so I'm hesitant to suggest an exception for this specific auction
I also agree that perhaps 2D is better as artificial..
Can you give a quick summary of continuations or refer me to somewhere?
The original idea for the relay after 1m-non jump in suit-2m is sometimes known as a Bourke relay (which you can google), but we adapted it and home hashed the responses. I believe for Bourke, the relay would be 2♥ as we've bid diamonds (not 100% sure), but we use the suit above partner's regardless of whether we've bid it or not. In it's original form it was treated like 3rd suit forcing as an analogy to 4SF.
The only thing you have to remember in our scheme is that 1♣-1suit-2♣-2N shows diamonds invitational (or more diamonds but still inv if you already bid them), if you have a standard 2N inv bid you go through 2♦.