[lxt08]

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now E bid:
if sys 2/1 how bid?
if sys sayc how bid?

[jillybean]

One of the first gadgets a bridge player needs is a way to force game of a minor opening.
The most common method is to play 'inverted minors' where 1m 2m is game forcing (in both sayc and 2/1).
2m usually denies a 4 card major, follow ups need to be discussed.

With no agreements you need to create a bid, 1♠ and jump to game over partners rebid.

[jogs]

You really need more imagination with your thread titles.
Without inverted minors it is nearly impossible to investigate slam without risking bypassing 3NT.

[the hog]

jillybean, on 2014-September-19, 22:36, said:

One of the first gadgets a bridge player needs is a way to force game of a minor opening.
The most common method is to play 'inverted minors' where 1m 2m is game forcing (in both sayc and 2/1).
2m usually denies a 4 card major, follow ups need to be discussed.

With no agreements you need to create a bid, 1♠ and jump to game over partners rebid.

Inverted minors are not forcing to game, Jilly.

[mcphee]

There are 2 methods using inverted minors, most employ the simple raise to show limit or more and follow ups should be discussed.So 1-2 limit +, jump to 3 weak. Criss Cross is the other where the simple raise is game forcing, which means to show limit values you would jump shift in the other minor and leaps to 3 remain weak. To me it makes lots of sense to have a forcing raise of a minor, after all you have one for a major.

You also find players bidding 2NT as non game forcing using 3N to show opening values 12-14 or 15.

[whereagles]

Playing inverted minors: 1♦-2♦

Not playing that you can bid 1♦-3NT. The alternative is a 2♣ bid, hoping stuff sorts out by itself.

[helene_t]

Playing sayc you have no forcing raise available. I would bid 2nt with this hand but in general the way to raise a minor suit with a strong hand is to start with the other minor. Unless you can make a splinter raise.

Playing 2/1 you need to know if you play inverted minors and if not, if 2nt is forcing. If unsure, bid 2c.

[Bbradley62]

Playing 2/1, this is a clear 1♦-2♦ inverted minor bid.

However, BBO has three pre-loaded convention cards that are labeled SAYC. They show different HCP strengths for NT bids over 1m:
_____________1m-2N____1m-3N
ACBL SAYC____13-15____16-17
SAYC_________13-15____16-18
SAYC (BBO)___11-12____13-15

So, it's important to know what your agreement is.