Takeout Double / Penalty Double
#1
Posted 2014-October-08, 05:56
Turned out LHO had ♦AKQTxx and 17 points and made his contract. We are all novices and the discussion afterwards was about whether that was the right bidding from LHO. I thought that as RHO's response showed a weak hand (0-5) and Clubs she had nothing more to say so should take the 2♦ bid as 'to play', but none of us had come across this situation in play or in study.
We all play Acol/Weak No trump.
#2
Posted 2014-October-08, 06:02
after that I think the vast majority of players would take 2d over 2c as either
- any force
- raise in clubs
- asking for a stopper in diamonds
I think using it as wanting to play in 2d is just a total waste of time
Eagles
#3
Posted 2014-October-08, 06:04
LHO could have made a 1NT overcall, or double followed by 2NT if his hand was too strong for that. Alternatively (probably best), just pass. Having six cards in the opponents' suit he can be pretty sure that his partner is able to keep it open, unless he is very weak in which case defending 1♦ undoubled should be ok. He might be able to bid diamonds naturally in the next round if he starts with a pass, but not if he starts with double.
BTW 2♣ is not 0-5 points but more like 0-7 or 0-8.
#4
Posted 2014-October-08, 06:25
Short version, I think LHO's bids were very bad.
-gwnn
#6
Posted 2014-October-08, 08:22
eagles123, on 2014-October-08, 06:02, said:
after that I think the vast majority of players would take 2d over 2c as either
- any force
- raise in clubs
- asking for a stopper in diamonds
I think using it as wanting to play in 2d is just a total waste of time
Eagles
Not necessarily, one approach with the hand he had is to treat it as a balanced 18-20 and start with a double, intending to rebid 1N over 1M.
2♦ is of course normally forcing and very big.
#7
Posted 2014-October-08, 23:48
Psyche (pron. sahy-kee): The human soul, spirit or mind (derived, personification thereof, beloved of Eros, Greek myth).
Masterminding (pron. mstr-mnding) tr. v. - Any bid made by bridge player with which partner disagrees.
"Gentlemen, when the barrage lifts." 9th battalion, King's own Yorkshire light infantry,
2000 years earlier: "morituri te salutant"
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#8
Posted 2014-October-09, 00:00
billw55, on 2014-October-08, 06:25, said:
gordontd, on 2014-October-08, 06:31, said:
2% can never be a massive underestimate; I would say 99% because in a few Indy tournaments on BBO I have had a huge hand, X'ed then cuebid their suit, and was passed. I can barely understand if it's Clubs, but can't fathom Diamonds or Hearts (or Spades, but haven't had that happen in an Indy... yet).
"Learn from the mistakes of others. You won't live long enough to make them all yourself."
"One advantage of bad bidding is that you get practice at playing atrocious contracts."
-Alfred Sheinwold
#9
Posted 2014-October-09, 00:37
chasetb, on 2014-October-09, 00:00, said:
I said 98% was a massive underestimate (as would be 99%), not 2%.
London UK
#10
Posted 2014-October-09, 01:29
Once you accept that a cue bid is artificial, then the likely meanings are as eagles123 covered.