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Posted 2015-January-02, 19:20


"And no matter what methods you play, it is essential, for anyone aspiring to learn to be a good player, to learn the importance of bidding shape properly." MikeH
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Posted 2015-January-02, 19:21

1♠. then diamonds and diamonds and diamonds and diamonds.
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Posted 2015-January-02, 20:12

1d but expect to be in the minority


will rebid 2d over 1nt rather than reverse
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Posted 2015-January-02, 20:43

1S.
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Posted 2015-January-02, 21:03

View Postjillybean, on 2015-January-02, 19:20, said:

IMO 1♦ = 10, 1♠ = 9, Pass (intending to show 2-suiter later, given the chance) = 8.
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Posted 2015-January-02, 22:25

I would only open 1♦ on this shape if I felt strong enough to bid 2♠ over a 1NT response. I don't feel that strong with this hand so I will open 1♠.
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Posted 2015-January-02, 23:25

View Postmgoetze, on 2015-January-02, 22:25, said:

I would only open 1♦ on this shape if I felt strong enough to bid 2♠ over a 1NT response. I don't feel that strong with this hand so I will open 1♠.


If partner responds 1N, I am not looking for a perfecto for 4♠ and will rebid 2♦. Therefore I will open my long suit.
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Posted 2015-January-03, 05:10

Seriously nige, 0 for 2/3♦?
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Posted 2015-January-03, 05:34

I open 1♦ because spade contract is very likely to require 4 card support to be a good one. We lose easily trump control if partner has only 3 card support.

Rebid problem after 1♠ response? Nope. My system has 4♠ showing exactly this type of hand ;) But without that agreement I would still force to game opposite 1♠ response.
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Posted 2015-January-03, 05:48

At IMPs: 1♠, as this is probably the only way to find a fit there.

At MPs: 4♦. Seems more pragmatic than 1♠.
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Posted 2015-January-03, 06:29

1S. Wouldn't even contemplate pass!

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Posted 2015-January-03, 09:05



I opened 1♦

What now?
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Posted 2015-January-03, 09:15

Seems we're endplayed into bidding 3D?

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Posted 2015-January-03, 09:19

View Postjillybean, on 2015-January-03, 09:05, said:



I opened 1♦

What now?


I would also open 1♦ and bid 3♦ now. They have at least 9 card ♥ fit. W probably has 5-6 ♣+4♥, spades won't behave friendly even if we find a 5-3 spade fit. I think we already decided this route by opening 1♦ and I will stick with the plan, especially when pd denied a 4 card M, and LHO is likely to be short in spades.
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Posted 2015-January-03, 16:27

These responses just sum up why 1♠ is clearly better. On so many of these sequences the spades just get buried.
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Posted 2015-January-03, 16:48

View PostTylerE, on 2015-January-03, 16:27, said:

These responses just sum up why 1♠ is clearly better. On so many of these sequences the spades just get buried.


True we might or might not have buried spades. While I'm rebidding 3♦ like Timo I'm competing to 3♠ if they compete in hearts. So spades may live again and we are playing a sensible

In fairness, if I opened 1♠ and partner bid 1N it's quite likely I'll end playing a crappy 5-2 ♠ fit. Worse yet if partner bids 2♥ over 2♦ I'm royally screwed.

The happy path after 1♦ is 1♥-1♠-anything-2♠ which describes this hand perfectly.
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Posted 2015-January-03, 16:49

View PostTylerE, on 2015-January-03, 16:27, said:

These responses just sum up why 1♠ is clearly better. On so many of these sequences the spades just get buried.


True we might or might not have buried spades. While I'm rebidding 3♦ like Timo I'm competing to 3♠ if they compete in hearts. So spades may live again and we are playing a sensible partial in the meantime.

In fairness, if I opened 1♠ and partner bid 1N it's quite likely I'll end playing a crappy 5-2 ♠ fit. Worse yet if partner bids 2♥ over 2♦ I'm royally screwed.

The happy path after 1♦ is 1♥-1♠-anything-2♠ which describes this hand perfectly.
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Posted 2015-January-03, 16:51

View PostPhil, on 2015-January-03, 16:48, said:

True we might or might not have buried spades. While I'm rebidding 3♦ like Timo I'm competing to 3♠ if they compete in hearts. So spades may live again and we are playing a sensible

In fairness, if I opened 1♠ and partner bid 1N it's quite likely I'll end playing a crappy 5-2 ♠ fit. Worse yet if partner bids 2♥ over 2♦ I'm royally screwed.



Why aren't we bidding 3♦? Having limited our values via 1♠-1N-[2di], 3♦ now has to be extra shape, not extra values. Seems to resemble the hand I'm holding.
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Posted 2015-January-03, 16:59

In most natural systems 1♠ - 1NT; 2♦ - 2♥; 3♦ shows both extra shape and extra values Tyler. The 2♦ rebid is not really limiting other than denying a game force opposite a simple response.
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Posted 2015-January-04, 00:25

Had I misbid and opened 1D I would now be forced into bidding 2D.
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