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#1 User is offline   lmilne 

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Posted 2015-May-01, 05:12

Axx x - KQTxxxxxx

They open 1H on your right. All vul, imps. Your bid?
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Posted 2015-May-01, 05:54

5. Seems obvious to put as big a block on the opponents' exchange of useful information as possible.

As with most hands like this, anything might work best. I will know whether I did the right thing soon enough.
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Posted 2015-May-01, 09:05

Seems ideal for 5c
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Posted 2015-May-01, 09:40

I cannot, for the life of me, understand why anyone would want to do anything other than 5.

Any argument that 2 could lead to a constructive auction for our side pales in comparison to the cost of allowing the opps all that bidding space, when we know that we are going to be bidding 5 eventually, unless the auction takes a very unexpected turn.
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Posted 2015-May-01, 12:25

View Postwank, on 2015-May-01, 09:05, said:

Seems ideal for 5c

It is for me. 5
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Posted 2015-May-02, 07:02

I think bid first and ask questions later. 5.
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Posted 2015-May-02, 07:18

View PostKurtGodel, on 2015-May-02, 07:02, said:

I think bid first and ask questions later. 5.

hehe this reminds me of a funny old thread: http://www.bridgebas...-played-bridge/
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Posted 2015-May-02, 07:45

View Postlmilne, on 2015-May-01, 05:12, said:

All vul, imps. A x x x - K Q T x x x x x x
They open 1 on your right. Your bid?
IMO 5 = 10, 2 = 8, 3 = 6, 6 = 5. A lot of controls and playing strength. You might miss a slam or 3N but, In practice, pre-emption seems to work better.
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Posted 2015-May-02, 13:11

View Postnige1, on 2015-May-02, 07:45, said:

IMO 5 = 10, 2 = 8, 3 = 6, 6 = 5. A lot of controls and playing strength. You might miss a slam or 3N but, In practice, pre-emption seems to work better.

3H doesn't even deserve a 6 on your scales where 6 sucks. An interesting conventional bid to find out if partner has a heart stopper to hold us to down 7.
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Posted 2015-May-02, 20:45

View Postaguahombre, on 2015-May-02, 13:11, said:

3H doesn't even deserve a 6 on your scales where 6 sucks. An interesting conventional bid to find out if partner has a heart stopper to hold us to down 7.
The jump-cue might not work here but it's often overlooked and can be quite effective with sensible agreements.

It is usually based on a minor e.g. K J x x x A K Q J x x x A, asking advancer to bid 3N with a stop. With a poor hand and no stop in opponent's suit, IMO, partner should bid 4, as an artificial negative. Other replies can then be natural and constructive. e.g. with Q x x x x x x x x x K J x, he can bid 3 suggesting a possible game in .

The jump-cue is appropriate on other hands, even when 3N isn't a consideration. e.g. opponents open 1 and you hold
A Q J x x x x x x - A Q J x.
  • Pre-empting 4 might miss a slam.
  • Overcalling 1 might win the auction.
  • Doubling might leave you on-lead at the one level.
Hence, IMO, you should seriously consider a jump-cue.
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Posted 2015-May-03, 01:12

Oh dear... This hand fits perfectly in my home grown 1egin-system: 4 showing 3 card with a top honour and a long minor which isn't solid. Partner can bid 4NT to ask the minor, so we don't have to put an 8+ card suit on the table.

Seriously, 5 is obvious, and if you really want to rate 3 it's definitely worse than 6!
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