[mr1303]

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Not the greatest 18 count, but an 18 count it is. Pass, double or 5H? If you pass, you expect it to end the auction. Assume IMPs if it matters.

[MrAce]

mr1303, on 2015-August-15, 22:31, said:

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Not the greatest 18 count, but an 18 count it is. Pass, double or 5H? If you pass, you expect it to end the auction. Assume IMPs if it matters.

5 level definitely not belong to me when I have 5422 and my hand is strong candidate to defeat them.


DBL.(does not mean I have spades, means I have too much values to simply pass)

They may even make it, but this action is the winner in long run imo. Too bad if they found a 10 card fit, but I think everyone with 4 card spades would bid 4♠ with E hand and this vulnerability.

[MrAce]

dbl post

[wanoff]

The 5 level belongs to Nigel.
And not me with this hand - dbl

[ArtK78]

The 5 level belongs to me!

However, this is a double.

[blackshoe]

What's 2♥? Spades and a minor? Which minor? You have two and a half quick tricks, but on the bidding you probably won't get them all. How many tricks can you expect partner to get?

Partner still has a call.

[apollo1201]

To me!

Ususally, but not today so I'll x with this point-heavy but flattish hand, partner has the right to pull though).

[steve2005]

blackshoe, on 2015-August-16, 09:57, said:

What's 2♥? Spades and a minor? Which minor? You have two and a half quick tricks, but on the bidding you probably won't get them all. How many tricks can you expect partner to get?

Partner still has a call.

Have to agree. partners 4♥ could have zero defence I think this is up to partner and is not a forcing pass situation.

[rmnka447]

Double with this hand! You have prospects for 3 tricks outside of ♥.

To bid 5 ♥ in this situation, you need to be able to have a fair chance of having no more than 2 losers. But ♠ Jx looks like 2 potential ♠ losers because you can't assume partner is necessarily short. If partner has a stiff ♠ or a void, then partner can pull to 5 ♥ if unwilling to defend 4 ♠ doubled.

[cherdano]

blackshoe, on 2015-August-16, 09:57, said:

What's 2♥? Spades and a minor? Which minor? You have two and a half quick tricks, but on the bidding you probably won't get them all.

If LHO is 5/5, I expect to take ♣A, ♦K, and another king.

Meanwhile, partner's 4♥ is not a preempt, he is allowed to have some values.

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Partner still has a call.

Exactly, and double is the best way to help him make the right decision. Passing with three likely tricks and an 18-count would be unilateral.

[Fluffy]

Partner has bid 4♥ vul vs not, I would bet on 5♥ at MPs if I had a bit more control (♦Ax instead). Opponents can still make a bigger mistake even if its wrong.

But the hand is too crappy to expect 5♥ making. I expect partner to cuebid 2♠ with 2 aces and playing strenght for 4♥, so 5♥ is betting on partner to have singleton spade to have any chance.

[beautyleg]

The opener had 18hcp (within which some players would have opened 1NT). The Michael user must have some hcp, 10 for example, so that he could buy a safer contract (spades would be on 2-level and minors would be on 3-level). Assuming east had 7hcp, he dare bid spades when the bidding level had jumped to 4. So how could north have？His hand was most probably weak(5-hcp) but distributed in some degree (at least you had gotten 5+support in trumps by preemptive 4H).



You were likely to have 2tricks on minors, one in KQ and one in AK (be careful of the meaning of Michael). But you had 1trick at most on hearts because they had a singleton at least and you needed HA on your p (if that your p had no honor cards in spades). 4S would much probably be made. So how about 5H？Your hand was strong enough to hold 3suits except spades. You would be apt to lose 1 on diamonds, 2 on spades and 1(ace) on hearts. However, we still have no idea of the distribution of clubs but it would led to the result at a key point, maybe 4S= or 4S-1 and 5Hx-2 or 5Hx-3.

Hope you were lucky to have a satisfied result.

[phil_20686]

What fluffy says. Also, your high cards in the minors strongly indicate that this might be quite an impure hand, in which case you expect to make fewer total tricks than the 20 suggested by the auction, so I think dble is a big long term winner here. If partners hand is something like x Axxxx xx Qxxxx he should obviously be pulling this. Its a values double to tell him that its our hand, not a penalty double.

[Trump Echo]

I could have had a bare bones hand and yet my p is calling game in Hearts vulnerable. I am raising.

[mr1303]

@ Phil and Fluffy, on what hands should partner pull a double? Presumably partner's 4H at this vul should have 5 trumps and a stiff?

[phil_20686]

mr1303, on 2015-August-17, 05:55, said:

@ Phil and Fluffy, on what hands should partner pull a double? Presumably partner's 4H at this vul should have 5 trumps and a stiff?

I don't think a stiff spade or a fifth heart is guaranteed. I can imagine lots of hands like x Axxx Axxxx xxx where I might bid 4H here vul vs not. I also might do it on a hand like xx KQxxx Kxxx xx. You shouldn't be aiming to always make 4H, since that takes away the opponents decision of whether to sacrifice. You want them to be worrying that they might be taking a phantom and generally to be unsure. Even if I accepted your definition, the stiff might not be in spades!

You might also bid 4H on - Axxxx xxxx xxx or something, pretty much any hand with a spade void is a super easy pull imo. Two suited hand should almost always pull if they have 1 or 3 spades. x Axxxx Kxxxx xx is an easy pull. The danger of a double fit is just too high.

[Fluffy]

mr1303, on 2015-August-17, 05:55, said:

@ Phil and Fluffy, on what hands should partner pull a double? Presumably partner's 4H at this vul should have 5 trumps and a stiff?

5 trump and a stiff will only be about half the hands, some others will be balanced with 8-9 HCP and 5 trumps, good hands with 4 trumps and a shortness, hands with 6 diamonds and 3-4 trumps (not for me, I use forrester), and there are others with just a good 5 card minor, but they are not possible with our holding there unless ♦AJ10xx.

I don't think partner is going to pull our double very often, if he does I am sure 5♥ will be a virtual claim, and even 6 would be possible. Because he will pull only with extra ODR and a hand that bid 4♥ to make. So for the most part a spade void, or a 6-4, don't think most of the normal hands with singleton spade are going to pull.

[mr1303]

I did double and partner held:

x
Axxxx
Axxx
xxx

and 5H was the par result. 4SX was one off. Should partner pull here?

[PhilKing]

mr1303, on 2015-August-17, 22:04, said:

I did double and partner held:

x
Axxxx
Axxx
xxx

and 5H was the par result. 4SX was one off. Should partner pull here?

Why did he not bid 3♠ on the previous round?

[btour]

PhilKing, on 2015-August-18, 03:04, said:

Why did he not bid 3♠ on the previous round?

My 2 cents...I like to use 2nt not natural to show this hand which is offensive limit raise. 4!H is weaker, and the cue would be hcp invite. Which it is close to being. Except that hand would have more scattered k q j's etc. There are only 8 losers despite the lack of hcps...Let opener decide.