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Posted 2016-August-27, 02:13
1NT is weak (12-14) Now?
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Posted 2016-August-27, 02:20
4♠
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Posted 2016-August-27, 03:08
hi Bad_Wolf,
Great shape - my favourite 6-5-1-1
- great suits (the Kaplan & Rubens count comes out at 16.00) and partner needs so little to make game a possibility, and has already indicated with his 2NT bid that he's got something, so it 4♠ 99.99 out of 100. Once in a blue moon you will be missing both red suit aces and encounter a bad ♠ split...but that's once in a blue moon...
Great shape - my favourite 6-5-1-1
- great suits (the Kaplan & Rubens count comes out at 16.00) and partner needs so little to make game a possibility, and has already indicated with his 2NT bid that he's got something, so it 4♠ 99.99 out of 100. Once in a blue moon you will be missing both red suit aces and encounter a bad ♠ split...but that's once in a blue moon...
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Posted 2016-August-27, 06:24
I would try 4♣ in case we have a slam.
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Posted 2016-August-27, 08:18
I was taught that if you can make 4♠ opposite a (sub) minimum for partners bid that you can think of in under 10 seconds, bid it. The spade 10 and a red Ace took me one second.
Added: It's a confident game but expecting a 2nt bid to cover 3 of 4 missing key cards is way too much
Added: It's a confident game but expecting a 2nt bid to cover 3 of 4 missing key cards is way too much
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Posted 2016-August-27, 08:23
Any agreements on 2N? It's frequently played as a cuebid instead of natural.
Assuming 2N is natural and 11-ish, I'm easily worth 4D on the last round.
Anyway, I didn't x 1N and its hard to see how I can possibly have a better hand here, so I will cue 4C.
Assuming 2N is natural and 11-ish, I'm easily worth 4D on the last round.
Anyway, I didn't x 1N and its hard to see how I can possibly have a better hand here, so I will cue 4C.
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Posted 2016-August-27, 08:33
If game can't be made, partner should have passed 2S.
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Posted 2016-August-27, 10:19
ggwhiz, on 2016-August-27, 08:18, said:
I was taught that if you can make 4♠ opposite a (sub) minimum for partners bid that you can think of in under 10 seconds, bid it. The spade 10 and a red Ace took me one second.
Added: It's a confident game but expecting a 2nt bid to cover 3 of 4 missing key cards is way too much
Added: It's a confident game but expecting a 2nt bid to cover 3 of 4 missing key cards is way too much
I agree that partner can't have the cards I am wishing, unless without any justification 3♠ was forcing.
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Posted 2016-August-27, 14:47
4 ♠ seems right with a 4 loser hand.
Slam seems remote as partner needs 3 keycards for it to be right. That seems like a tall order after partner just makes a simple preference.
Slam seems remote as partner needs 3 keycards for it to be right. That seems like a tall order after partner just makes a simple preference.
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Posted 2016-August-27, 21:32
4S strikes me as automatic. If slam makes here I'll bet it needed some very favourable breaks, such as Kx of spades onside.
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Posted 2016-August-27, 21:52
mr1303, on 2016-August-27, 21:32, said:
4S strikes me as automatic. If slam makes here I'll bet it needed some very favourable breaks, such as Kx of spades onside.
Exactly!!
The 1 NT opener lies to the right of declarer, so Kx onside looks to be a considerably less than 50/50 possibility on the distribution of opponents outstanding HCPs alone.
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Posted 2016-August-28, 02:33
4S looks attractive and automatic but can go down on 2 diamond ruffs and DA (or HA) and SA on a diamond lead !I If so, one should consider oneself unlucky.
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Posted 2016-August-28, 03:14
Kaitlyn S, on 2016-August-27, 08:33, said:
If game can't be made, partner should have passed 2S.
The question asked is "what now"? Are you going to bid 4S/ 3NT or Pass.?
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Posted 2016-August-28, 06:14
Depending on the agreement what the strenght of 2nt is showing you bid 4s or any other forcing bid being 4c as a cue or 4d as rebid of the second suit depending on your agreements in the bidding system you use.
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Posted 2016-August-28, 16:15
4♠
Hard to figure out, what strange thing might have happened at the table, that even prompted this question ("Bid again?")
Hard to figure out, what strange thing might have happened at the table, that even prompted this question ("Bid again?")
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Posted 2016-August-29, 07:23
The question is not whether to bid again, but what to bid now.
You overcalled in spades and partner made an encourging raise. You have a very good side 5 card suit, a small singleton, a side suit Ace that is singleton too, and a decent SIX card spade suit. Give partner AK of spades and either red Ace and 6S is virtually cold. King of spades and both red Aces also makes 6S virtually cold. Specific cards? Sure, but hardly a monster for the auction partner has put forth.
I am bidding 4C. If this coaxes 4D or 4H from partner, I can make another move - (Roman) Key Card Blackwood would be ideal.
You overcalled in spades and partner made an encourging raise. You have a very good side 5 card suit, a small singleton, a side suit Ace that is singleton too, and a decent SIX card spade suit. Give partner AK of spades and either red Ace and 6S is virtually cold. King of spades and both red Aces also makes 6S virtually cold. Specific cards? Sure, but hardly a monster for the auction partner has put forth.
I am bidding 4C. If this coaxes 4D or 4H from partner, I can make another move - (Roman) Key Card Blackwood would be ideal.
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Posted 2016-August-29, 08:19
Caitlynne, on 2016-August-29, 07:23, said:
The question is not whether to bid again, but what to bid now.
You overcalled in spades and partner made an encourging raise. You have a very good side 5 card suit, a small singleton, a side suit Ace that is singleton too, and a decent SIX card spade suit. Give partner AK of spades and either red Ace and 6S is virtually cold. King of spades and both red Aces also makes 6S virtually cold. Specific cards? Sure, but hardly a monster for the auction partner has put forth.
I am bidding 4C. If this coaxes 4D or 4H from partner, I can make another move - (Roman) Key Card Blackwood would be ideal.
You overcalled in spades and partner made an encourging raise. You have a very good side 5 card suit, a small singleton, a side suit Ace that is singleton too, and a decent SIX card spade suit. Give partner AK of spades and either red Ace and 6S is virtually cold. King of spades and both red Aces also makes 6S virtually cold. Specific cards? Sure, but hardly a monster for the auction partner has put forth.
I am bidding 4C. If this coaxes 4D or 4H from partner, I can make another move - (Roman) Key Card Blackwood would be ideal.
Excellent summary but if partner does not cue 4D I'm giving up.
Loiking at sAK/ hA partner should be driving this themselves once I Q 4C.
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Posted 2016-August-29, 08:25
2♠=? (except "spades")
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Posted 2016-August-29, 12:10
No Problem here 4SPADES!!
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Posted 2016-August-29, 14:55
You didn't indicate what the 2S bid meant. Is it spades and a minor? Or just spades?
If it's spades and a minor, whether you bid 4S or 4C now depends on your agreements as to the difference between a direct 3S bid over 2S and a 3S bid after the 2NT relay. If 2NT followed by 3S shows an invite with decent spade support, then by all means try 4C. Partner will know the only cards worth anything are spade honors, diamond honors, and the two red Aces. If he has three cover cards, he'll continue. Anything less he probably will pass (you hope).
If 2S just shows spades, however, it's a different story. Partner then likely has a hand like 2452 with lots of useless secondary honors in hearts and clubs. Better just to settle for 4S.
Cheers,
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If it's spades and a minor, whether you bid 4S or 4C now depends on your agreements as to the difference between a direct 3S bid over 2S and a 3S bid after the 2NT relay. If 2NT followed by 3S shows an invite with decent spade support, then by all means try 4C. Partner will know the only cards worth anything are spade honors, diamond honors, and the two red Aces. If he has three cover cards, he'll continue. Anything less he probably will pass (you hope).
If 2S just shows spades, however, it's a different story. Partner then likely has a hand like 2452 with lots of useless secondary honors in hearts and clubs. Better just to settle for 4S.
Cheers,
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