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Another 3 NT from Wroclaw,

#1 User is offline   MrAce 

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Posted 2016-September-06, 12:22



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S playing 3 NT. Dealer was W and passed. N opened 1♠ and from there South always asked and bid 3 NT. Defense does not know anything about South hand.

Lead: ♥ 5 4th best.if from length.

T1= You played small from dummy, East won with Q
T2 = East played ♥8, West followed by ♥7

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Posted 2016-September-06, 16:23

trick 1` insert the heart J opps know nothing about south hand try to keep it that way. Playing low pretty much gives away the position of the T once the Q holds. We got lucky no dia shift so since we are in dummy play the spade Ace
(who knows maybe the Q will drop singleton) and finesse the J hoping for 3s (or more) 5c 1h and keeping rho off lead in order to protect the dia K. That's my plan and I am sticking to it.
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Posted 2016-September-06, 16:31

Lantaron solved this in a milisecond
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Posted 2016-September-06, 16:38

View Postgszes, on 2016-September-06, 16:23, said:

trick 1` insert the heart J opps know nothing about south hand try to keep it that way. Playing low pretty much gives away the position of the T once the Q holds. We got lucky no dia shift so since we are in dummy play the spade Ace
(who knows maybe the Q will drop singleton) and finesse the J hoping for 3s (or more) 5c 1h and keeping rho off lead in order to protect the dia K. That's my plan and I am sticking to it.



It did not occur to any of the declarers in Wroclaw to play the ♥ J and drop a trick when Q is onside.

I will tell later what would happen with your given line, in order to not ruin the problem for others.
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Posted 2016-September-06, 22:49

hi MrAce,

After 30 minutes, I've tried various full and partial eliminations, throwing West in to cash his ♥s and hopefully lead away, this that and the other, but due to the awkward entry situation between the two hands, I cannot see anything that quite works on best defence. It is 4.30am in the morning so maybe my brain cells haven't quite woken up <_<

Essentially, in my view, the hand is about a finesse, or leading to ♦K and hope it holds. 50/50 either way. Damage limitation says finesse the ♠J into the West hand.

Ok, it's rubbish. I'm playing for -1 instead of trying to make the contract. Be good to see the whole hand at some point and see what declarer actually did.
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Posted 2016-September-08, 23:21

Lantaron just trusted opponents:

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Posted 2016-September-09, 06:44

View PostFluffy, on 2016-September-08, 23:21, said:

Lantaron just trusted opponents:

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That's exactly what my commentary was, as soon as W ducked 2nd ♥.
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Posted 2016-September-09, 13:12

Well spotted, nice post Timo.
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Posted 2016-September-09, 13:31

Thanks Arend Posted Image
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Posted 2016-September-11, 02:46

We had a long discussion about whether it was right to rise with the hk at trick one
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Posted 2016-September-11, 02:48

View PostMrAce, on 2016-September-09, 06:44, said:

That's exactly what my commentary was, as soon as W ducked 2nd ♥.


I think that is naive. It is obvius to duck the second heart whether or not you have the ace of diamonds.
More interesting inference is why East doesn't switch to a diamond at trick 1.

My partner thought for a very long time on the hand. (And yes, he made it)
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Posted 2016-September-11, 03:31

With ♦A I think he would play A of ♥ and another, not just because he has an entry, but to avoid a possible end play.
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Posted 2016-September-11, 09:58

I think going up with ♥K is better.

Also better is to cash 2 clubs and exit ♥ you may alwyas fallback on east having the ♦A but if west
got the ♦A and 2 clubs you get to make it with a 3-3 ♠break. or a ♠Qx
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Posted 2016-September-11, 16:54

View PostFrancesHinden, on 2016-September-11, 02:48, said:

I think that is naive. It is obvius to duck the second heart whether or not you have the ace of diamonds.
More interesting inference is why East doesn't switch to a diamond at trick 1.

My partner thought for a very long time on the hand. (And yes, he made it)


I still remember ducking with a king onside and being thrown in for the 9th, it was a flat board though, but ever since this, it will never be an obvious position for me.
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