BBO Discussion Forums: Talking Pts. X?? - BBO Discussion Forums

Jump to content

Page 1 of 1
  • You cannot start a new topic
  • You cannot reply to this topic

Talking Pts. X??

#1 User is offline   bridgepali 

  • PipPipPip
  • Group: Full Members
  • Posts: 65
  • Joined: 2016-March-22
  • Gender:Male
  • Location:Illinois, USA

Posted 2016-September-28, 14:14

B-) The Stayman Convention is a no-trump fit finding convention. It's intent after a bona fide no-trump opening bid, is to determine if a 4/4 major requisite trump footprint is existent between hands. If so, in which major and the number of hcpts. If not, opener makes a 2D artificial bid and responder based on the number of hcpts. in-hand, bids an appropriate option.

RESPONDER/POST RESPONDER
- with >7 hcpts. and four cards of a major, make an artificial bid of 2C's.

OPENER/POST OPENER
(Select One)
- with four cards of the heart strain bid, 2H's.
- with four cards of the spade strain, bid 2S's.
- with <4 cards of either major, make an artificial bid of 2D's.

RESPONDER/POST RESPONDER
(Select One)
- if partner bid 2H's, with 8-9 hcpts. bid 3H's; with 10-14 hcpts., bid 4H's; with <4H's and 8-9 hcpts., bid
2NT; with 10-14 hcpts., bid 3NT.
- if partner bid 2S's, with 8-9 hcpts. bid 3S's; with 10-14 hcpts., bid 4S's; with <4S's and 8-9 hcpts., bid
2NT; with 10-14 hcpts., bid 3NT.
- if partner bid 2D's, with 8-9 hcpts. bid 2NT; with 10-14 hcpts. bid 3NT; with >32 combined hand pts., bid 4NT
(Blackwood).

Note: When playing Stayman the opening no-trump hand should not have a five card major.
Alert: Response formats are presented covered by a 2013 copyright.

B-) Watch for Talking Pts. X???
0

#2 User is offline   johnu 

  • PipPipPipPipPipPipPipPip
  • Group: Advanced Members
  • Posts: 5,034
  • Joined: 2008-September-10
  • Gender:Male

Posted 2016-September-28, 14:52

View Postbridgepali, on 2016-September-28, 14:14, said:

Note: When playing Stayman the opening no-trump hand should not have a five card major.


Good to know. If time travel becomes practical and I can go back to the 1920's, I'll know this great tip.


View Postbridgepali, on 2016-September-28, 14:14, said:

Alert: Response formats are presented covered by a 2013 copyright.


2013 copyright??? I guess anything can be copyrighted if that is true.
0

#3 User is offline   Vampyr 

  • PipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPip
  • Group: Advanced Members
  • Posts: 10,611
  • Joined: 2009-September-15
  • Gender:Female
  • Location:London

Posted 2016-September-28, 15:05

Your understanding of Stayman is not completely hopeless but is very limited. First of all, players will often use Stayman with a bad hand in an attempt to improve the contract, by bidding 2 and then either passing 2 with three suits or bidding 2 with both majors. Secondly your response structure is extremely rudimentary. For example, you don't mention what responder does over 2 with an invitational hand with spades (often she bids 2, as a 2NT response is usually not available as a natural invitational raise.)

What is responder's 3-of-a-minor after a Stayman sequence? Normally natural and game forcing. What is 3-of-the-other-major after opener rebids a major? Usually a hand too good to raise to four of opener's major. I will keep the explanation limited to the three-level.

Thirdly, after a 2 rebid by opener, 4NT is not Blackwood, and the quantitative range is not <32 or 32 or more; 4NT, 5NT, 6NT and 7NT all cover different ranges.

A further point -- the modern style is to open 1NT with a 5-card major. 5-3 fits will still sometimes be found, but if it really worries you then play 1NT-3 as 5-card Stayman.

The above is not a comprehensive list, but I hope you get the idea.

Finally, if you are going to express responder's actions in terms of HCP, you need to mention what opening 1NT range you are assuming.

EDIT: crossed another post.
I know not with what weapons World War III will be fought, but World War IV will be fought with sticks and stones -- Albert Einstein
0

#4 User is offline   jogs 

  • PipPipPipPipPipPip
  • Group: Advanced Members
  • Posts: 1,316
  • Joined: 2011-March-01
  • Gender:Male
  • Interests:student of the game

Posted 2016-September-28, 15:39

View Postjohnu, on 2016-September-28, 14:52, said:

2013 copyright??? I guess anything can be copyrighted if that is true.

Aren't there frequent copyright lawsuits in the music industry?
0

#5 User is offline   Vampyr 

  • PipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPip
  • Group: Advanced Members
  • Posts: 10,611
  • Joined: 2009-September-15
  • Gender:Female
  • Location:London

Posted 2016-September-28, 17:39

View Postjogs, on 2016-September-28, 15:39, said:

Aren't there frequent copyright lawsuits in the music industry?


What is the relevance of that? In any case, Stayman responses and rebids have been written up many times by many people, so I do not think that the subset presented by the OP win a copyright challenge.
I know not with what weapons World War III will be fought, but World War IV will be fought with sticks and stones -- Albert Einstein
0

#6 User is offline   bridgepali 

  • PipPipPip
  • Group: Full Members
  • Posts: 65
  • Joined: 2016-March-22
  • Gender:Male
  • Location:Illinois, USA

Posted 2016-October-02, 11:31

B-) Hey Bridge Pals:

The alert is a heads up to those who might think they can mass reproduce.

B-) Have a good day.
0

#7 User is offline   Vampyr 

  • PipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPip
  • Group: Advanced Members
  • Posts: 10,611
  • Joined: 2009-September-15
  • Gender:Female
  • Location:London

Posted 2016-October-02, 14:51

View Postbridgepali, on 2016-October-02, 11:31, said:

B-) Hey Bridge Pals:

The alert is a heads up to those who might think they can mass reproduce.

B-) Have a good day.


I would not worry about anyone trying to make money by printing your deeply flawed summary. Perhaps you should instead direct your energies towards learning. You have demonstrated that you know little about hand evaluation and less about the Stayman convention. You have found a site that has lots of people who can help, but you don't seem to engage.
I know not with what weapons World War III will be fought, but World War IV will be fought with sticks and stones -- Albert Einstein
0

#8 User is offline   Kaitlyn S 

  • PipPipPipPipPipPip
  • Group: Advanced Members
  • Posts: 1,092
  • Joined: 2016-July-31
  • Gender:Female

Posted 2016-October-02, 16:53

View PostVampyr, on 2016-October-02, 14:51, said:

You have found a site that has lots of people who can help
And even better, that has lots of people willing to help.
0

#9 User is offline   Vampyr 

  • PipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPip
  • Group: Advanced Members
  • Posts: 10,611
  • Joined: 2009-September-15
  • Gender:Female
  • Location:London

Posted 2016-October-02, 18:28

View PostVampyr, on 2016-September-28, 15:05, said:

For example, you don't mention what responder does over 2 with an invitational hand with spades (often she bids 2, as a 2NT response is usually not available as a natural invitational raise.)


Apologies to the OP, on retreading I see that this point lacked clarity.

When neither 2 nor 2NT is available over 1NT as a balanced invitation, responder will often start an invitation by bidding Stayman. The hand may not contain a 4-card major. Now over 1NT-2-2 responder's 2NT does not promise four spades. So she bids 2 with an invitational hand with four spades.
I know not with what weapons World War III will be fought, but World War IV will be fought with sticks and stones -- Albert Einstein
0

#10 User is offline   johnu 

  • PipPipPipPipPipPipPipPip
  • Group: Advanced Members
  • Posts: 5,034
  • Joined: 2008-September-10
  • Gender:Male

Posted 2016-October-02, 19:07

View Postbridgepali, on 2016-October-02, 11:31, said:

B-) Hey Bridge Pals:

The alert is a heads up to those who might think they can mass reproduce.

B-) Have a good day.


I don't see a single original idea in your Stayman descriptions.
0

#11 User is offline   Stefan_O 

  • PipPipPipPip
  • Group: Full Members
  • Posts: 469
  • Joined: 2016-April-01

Posted 2016-October-05, 12:17

View Postbridgepali, on 2016-September-28, 14:14, said:

The Stayman Convention is a no-trump fit finding convention.


Oh dear ... I always thought it was a trump-fit finding convention.

If there ever was an internet troll, bridgepali must be it.
0

Page 1 of 1
  • You cannot start a new topic
  • You cannot reply to this topic

2 User(s) are reading this topic
0 members, 2 guests, 0 anonymous users