[Cyberyeti]

Teams:

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Dealer S, W will overcall 2♣ **EDIT, I put the hands in the wrong way up, Dealer N, E will overcall 2♣**

We got a foul result off this board, but I wonder how it should be bid

[P_Marlowe]

Do you play NFB? You are geularly opening light?

Regardless, after

1H - (2C) - ...

North should most likely bid 2D, hoping to get a 2nd cheap chance.
If NFB, than South wil rebid his hearts, if no NFB, ..., bid NT in
a forcing manner or jump to 3H, most likely 3H.
In both cases, you will end up in 4H.

I would not critize a neg. X, maybe even do it myself, but following Roths
advice, praying to survive this one round helps, may be best on the given hand.

With kind regards
Marlowe

[The_Badger]

The exact bidding sequence perhaps depends on your methods: I assume you may be using 2♦ as a free bid, but North's hand is far better than a free bid in my opinion. So, on 1♥ - (2♣) - Dbl. I'd be reassessing the South hand as a bit of a misfit with the ♣K10xx as practically worthless except in a no-trump contract. Then I'd think you don't get too carried away with the bidding. I am assuming you ended up above a game contract when game was where you wanted to be.

[Tramticket]

After north bids 2D (10+), south is close to a 3H rebid. But I think that 2H is wiser.

After 2H, I think you can stop in game. If north is more optimistic and jumps, I can't see that you can stop at a safe level.

[ggwhiz]

I want to be in 3nt, NOT happening!

2♦ or 2♠ are both forcing for me and if you start with 2♦ planning to bid spades twice, the 2♥ bid (rather than 3♥ with that stiff diamond) doesn't promise 6 and you may well land in 4♠. If 2 rounds of hearts live, that should make on a crossruff.

If you start with 2♠ (I would at matchpoints) a 3♥ bid by south does promise 6 and 4♥ should be reached but the play could get messy on a diamond lead.

[nige1]

Cyberyeti, on 2017-November-18, 01:50, said:

Teams: Dealer S, W will overcall 2♣. We got a foul result off this board, but I wonder how it should be bid

A possible auction on the left.
On a ♦ lead, declarer might
Win ♦A.
Cross to ♠A.
Ruff a ♣.
Cross to ♠K.
Ruff a ♣.
Try to cash ♠s discarding ♣s...

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[rmnka447]

2 ♦ for me is forcing, so I'd see the auction as something like

1 ♥ - (2 ♣) - 2 ♦ - ( P )
2 ♥ - ( P ) - 2 ♠ - ( P )
2 NT - ( P ) - 3 ♥ - ( P )
4 ♥

as Nige1 posited.

If you play NFB, then this hand is a nightmare to bid as you have to double to show strength. After a 2 ♥ rebid by opener, what next?

[PhilG007]

Cyberyeti, on 2017-November-18, 01:50, said:

Teams:

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Dealer S, W will overcall 2♣

We got a foul result off this board, but I wonder how it should be bid

This deal is a total misfit despite the combined 26 points.And misfits should be handled with great care. Right away No Trumps should
be ruled out because of the mutual unbalanced hands. I think that North should show the spades
first over the 2club overcall then show the diamonds over partner's 2NT. The final contract
should be either 4Hearts or 4Spades but it's dodgy either way.

[Zelandakh]

I think SOuth is way too good for 2NT in the popular auction. Something like 1♥ - (2♣) - 2♦; 2♥ - 2♠; 3NT - 4♣; 4♥ seems more realistic but, as has been pointed out by several contributors, it is not really possible to give a definitive auction without some discussion about what agreements are in place.

[gwnn]

If you want to start 2D from N, surely you have to bid spades twice thereafter. S can very easily have 3-card support (3523 for example).

[Zelandakh]

gwnn, on 2017-November-19, 05:37, said:

If you want to start 2D from N, surely you have to bid spades twice thereafter. S can very easily have 3-card support (3523 for example).

North needs a way of keeping multiple end-contracts available. Nige, rmnka, etc are using 3♥ for this (leaving 3♠ open for South to show 3-5 majors and 4♣ in my auction serves a similar purpose. This is the type of hand where bidding unilaterally will often end up in a poor contract.

[gwnn]

Zelandakh, on 2017-November-19, 05:59, said:

North needs a way of keeping multiple end-contracts available. Nige, rmnka, etc are using 3♥ for this (leaving 3♠ open for South to show 3-5 majors and 4♣ in my auction serves a similar purpose. This is the type of hand where bidding unilaterally will often end up in a poor contract.

Describing a 6-5 hand is not unilateral in my book. It's puzzling to me that you think describing a 6-5 somehow doesn't keep multiple end contracts available. I'm offering 3NT, 4S, and 5D (or opener can rebid hearts for 4H). I could equally say that hiding a 5th spade is unilateral. 3♥ and 4♣ are both cute but they don't say anything about the 5th spade. Maybe opener does show a 3rd spade (on the off chance that we are 6-5), maybe they don't.

I don't mind 2♠ instead of 2♦ initially, planning to rebid diamonds once and look around. It could go for example:
1H-2C-2S-p
2NT-p-3D-p
3H-p-4H-end

[P_Marlowe]

rmnka447, on 2017-November-18, 18:04, said:

2 ♦ for me is forcing, so I'd see the auction as something like

1 ♥ - (2 ♣) - 2 ♦ - ( P )
2 ♥ - ( P ) - 2 ♠ - ( P )
2 NT - ( P ) - 3 ♥ - ( P )
4 ♥

as Nige1 posited.

If you play NFB, then this hand is a nightmare to bid as you have to double to show strength. After a 2 ♥ rebid by opener, what next?

2S or 3H, 2S most likely being best, but both should show max.

With kind regards
Marlowe

[Cyberyeti]

OK, I realise I mistyped or put the hands the other way up, dealer is in fact N with the overcaller E.

The amusement inherent in this hand is that:

Our opponents found their way to 6♠ via a horrendous auction
6♠ makes but 6♥ doesn't

Does the world out there open 1♦ or 1♠ on the N hand ?

I open 1♦, but our opps kicked off 1♠-(2♣)-2♥-(P)- take it from there, I'll reveal our opps auction later.

[P_Marlowe]

Hi,

I would open 1D.
You can certainly open this 1S, espesially in a 5 card major system,
or in a system, that basically promises 5+ spades, and you have the
agreement to raise with 3+ spades.

If I recall it correctly, Gromöller - Kirmse used to play, that when
opener showed 6-5 the reverse was no longer showing add. strength.

But 1S is ok, after the given start, ..., if North bids 3D, South will
see 6-5 and nothing will stop him from reaching 6S.
... but 3D is garbage, unless 2H was already GF, and even if you play 2H
as forcing, responder may have strechted to make the 2H bid, so 3D is a
huge overbid.

After the sane 2S, responder has to create a force, ... 3C comes to mind,
he will get 3D from opener, resonder can than show the 6th heart in a forcing
manner.
Opener will raise to game, after discovering a fit and that should be the end of
auction.
Opener is min, Responder has a bit more than a GF, but nothing to make the
5 level safe, the King of Clubs looks positioned well, but is basically
useless, AK in spade is nice, but ..., maybe this is just showing my lack of
imagination / class, but going plus is important, I can survive a missed slam,
if I make my game.

With kind regards
Marlowe

[Cyberyeti]

2♥ was not GF, 9+ Acol style, and yes 3♦ was bid next, but that is not the most incredible turn the auction took.

Their auction was:

1♠-(2♣)-2♥
3♦-3♥
4♦-4♠
5♦-6♠

I found what I think is the best lead in the A♣ to punch declarer immediately, he had little choice at that point but to draw trumps in 4 rounds and take the heart finesse which finds Qxx onside, 6♥(S) fails on a minor suit lead.

[miamijd]

Cyberyeti, on 2017-November-20, 04:23, said:

2♥ was not GF, 9+ Acol style, and yes 3♦ was bid next, but that is not the most incredible turn the auction took.

Their auction was:

1♠-(2♣)-2♥
3♦-3♥
4♦-4♠
5♦-6♠

I found what I think is the best lead in the A♣ to punch declarer immediately, he had little choice at that point but to draw trumps in 4 rounds and take the heart finesse which finds Qxx onside, 6♥(S) fails on a minor suit lead.

Ugh! I would open 1D with the North hand. The South bidding seems fine to me. Norht, however, needs to have his head examined (hope that wasn't your best friend).

After the 1S opener (which I don't like), I don't have any problems with the first two rounds. 2H in "standard expert" isn't game forcing after the 2C bid (just 10+ or so), so very similar to the 9+ you described. Now North has a choice between 2S (a non-forcing underbid); 3D (a bit of an overbid, but doesn't N/S have to have a fit somewhere, and if so, this is a big hand); and 4H (seems odd on only 2H with 6D). None of those bids describe your hand very well, but none of them are entirely unreasonable, either. I don't have a huge problem with 3D, and oddly enough, this is the only bid North made that I think is defensible.

3H seems right, showing six hearts.

At this point, I think North went completely off the rails. Once South shows 6H, North should just bid 4H and go quietly. 4D is nuts.

4S by South is fine.

5D? Really? South is showing 2 card spade support, so why not just pass?

After 5D, I think 6S is OK. It looks like South has some sort of gigantic 6/6 hand. You have the AKs, the AH, and a second round club control. It doesn't get a lot better.

Cheers,
mike

[gszes]

4h

1s (2C) opps are never quiet anymore
2h acol style 9+ not gf (from above)
3d IMHO that Hx in hearts is almost as good as xxx so this hand has improved significantly and I do not mind showing some extra values no need to rush to show hearts and creates a GF. Hand power is limited somewhat by the failure to bid 3c.
3h still do not know where to go so showing the 6th heart seems more important than bidding a sketchy 3n on what appears to be a misfit.
4c cue bid (most likely splinter that could not be used until the 3h bid) the fact that opener cue bid means they do not have enough to go for slam on their own knowing south has 6+ hearts and 9+. Also gives a big hint to responder that opener's extra values came from Hx in hearts and short clubs.
4h club K now appears to be useless and our hand has now gotten worse opposite the probable 5251 or 5260 held by opener. If opener could not take control responder should be happy with game. 2 extra hcp (and one of them is a jack) is usually not a recipe for slam success opposite a hand partner appears willing to play at game level. This does not stop opener from bidding on, it offers an opinion that we know what their hand looks like and they will need significant extras to go beyond game.
Pass whew! was hoping all this overbidding would not get us in trouble. Now lets see if partner can make this.

1d 2c (opps are never quiet anymore)
2h acol style 9+ from above
2s easy bid at this point does not create a GF (though Hx in hearts improves this hand significantly). Also keeps bidding low making strain easier to find.
3c need to create a GF 2n is not sufficient and 3n wipes out all further bidding
3s much more important than bidding 3h since the 56 nature of the hand comes to light 3h could be 4243 (with nothing in clubs)
3n need to get this in. The earlier 3c bid casts doubt on NT as strain.
4h the heck with 3n opposite someone that is not sure they want to play there. Note that opener could bid 4c with extra values so this 4h bid points more toward a hand with max around a good 13 (QJ K AK) to a modest 15 (QJ KQ AQJ)

IMHO the 1d opener (when holding spades) will usually lead to vastly superior auctions but does run the increased risk of losing the spade suit (pick your poison).

Spade slam depends on opener having QJ of spades and finding heart Q so I would not feel poorly about landing in 4h and getting slaughtered.

[MrAce]

1♦-(2♣)-2♥
2♠-3♣
3♠-3 NT
AP