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Responding to t/o doubles

Poll: Responding to t/o doubles (10 member(s) have cast votes)

What does 2Sp mean?

  1. Minimum, 4-4 majors (0 votes [0.00%])

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  2. Minimum, 4-5 majors (0 votes [0.00%])

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  3. Minimum, 4-(4 or 5) majors (0 votes [0.00%])

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  4. Values but nf, 4-4 majors (0 votes [0.00%])

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  5. Values but nf, 4-5 majors (1 votes [10.00%])

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  6. Values but nf, 4-(4 or 5) majors (1 votes [10.00%])

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  7. Forcing, 4-4 majors (0 votes [0.00%])

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  8. Forcing, 4-5 majors (5 votes [50.00%])

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  9. Forcing, 4-(4 or 5) majors (1 votes [10.00%])

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  10. Other (2 votes [20.00%])

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  11. I don't understand this poll (0 votes [0.00%])

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#1 User is offline   helene_t 

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Posted 2021-July-05, 20:23

(1m)----x---(pass)-1
(pass)-1NT-(pass)-2

What is 2 most commonly played as by theory-aware tournament players, using mainstream methods (so not something with Power Doubles, Herbert Negative, transfer advances or stuff that affects the 1NT range such a raptor)?
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Posted 2021-July-05, 20:52

In more than 40 years of playing, albeit with some long breaks, I’ve never seen this auction, so I am not answering based on experience

However, bridge logic suggests it has to be forcing, and the same logic suggests 4-5 majors

Partner has shown 18+ to 20 hcp.

He hasn't promised 4 spades so 2S will often force him to bid, since he can’t really pass with fewer than 4 spades.

We would/should respond 1S with 4=4 or 5=5 majors, even with a Yarborough since we need to cater to partner bidding 1N or cuebidding.

So we have 4-5 majors and enough to be comfortable forcing to at least 2N even if we have no fit. Therefore we have to be strong enough to handle a non-fit auction so we should be forcing opposite a fit.

Plus, if we are 4=5 majors with, say, 6-7 hcp we need to force to game but we also need to show our shape

Meanwhile, if we have a very weak hand, we pass 1N or bid 2H.
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Posted 2021-July-06, 02:14

View Postmikeh, on 2021-July-05, 20:52, said:

In more than 40 years of playing, albeit with some long breaks, I’ve never seen this auction, so I am not answering based on experience

However, bridge logic suggests it has to be forcing, and the same logic suggests 4-5 majors

Partner has shown 18+ to 20 hcp.

He hasn't promised 4 spades so 2S will often force him to bid, since he can’t really pass with fewer than 4 spades.

We would/should respond 1S with 4=4 or 5=5 majors, even with a Yarborough since we need to cater to partner bidding 1N or cuebidding.

So we have 4-5 majors and enough to be comfortable forcing to at least 2N even if we have no fit. Therefore we have to be strong enough to handle a non-fit auction so we should be forcing opposite a fit.

Plus, if we are 4=5 majors with, say, 6-7 hcp we need to force to game but we also need to show our shape

Meanwhile, if we have a very weak hand, we pass 1N or bid 2H.


4-6 2 or 3 count ? prepared to play 3 if no spade fit would be about the only possibility for a NF bid, but I agree, probably more useful as forcing unless you play an artificial 2 of opener's minor here for the GF hand.
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Posted 2021-July-06, 02:34

Could it be 6-5 in the majors, looking for game in the best fit?
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Posted 2021-July-06, 03:16

View PostAL78, on 2021-July-06, 02:34, said:

Could it be 6-5 in the majors, looking for game in the best fit?

This is unlikely - such a hand would almost certainly have done more the previous round.

I play mostly IMPs, where you sometimes sacrifice precision in partscores in exchange for improved chances of finding the right game. This looks like a place to apply that principle, and I would expect 4-5 in the majors and some modest values (basically, what mikeh said). There may be an argument for different principles to apply at MPs, but I would expect this understanding to be fairly standard.
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Posted 2021-July-06, 15:23

Helene_T 'What is 2 most commonly played as by theory-aware tournament players, using mainstream methods (so not something with Power Doubles, Herbert Negative, transfer advances or stuff that affects the 1NT range such a raptor)?'
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After partner's 1N rebid, 2 seems natural, constructive, but non-forcing with 4 s and longer s.
(Assuming that a cue-bid would show a better hand).

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