[michel444]

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you are siting east
west deal an open 1 ♦
the biding system of biding is a variation off 5 cards major better minor.
North pass
1. what do you bid
2.what should your partner understand from your bid ?

[Cyberyeti]

Is it REALLY better minor ?

If 3-3 or 4-4 in the minors, do you pick the better one or always pick the same one ?

That will affect what I do here

[DavidKok]

I'm not sufficiently familiar with the system. 2♦ inverted minor seems like the only candidate. Are people bidding 2♣ or something? or 3NT 12-15 bal?

[P_Marlowe]

Hi,

3NT as 13-15 bal., looks like a pretty good description.
Inverted Minors looks like a way of giving opponents free hints with regards
to opening leads.

With kind regards
Marlowe

[michel444]

Cyberyeti, on 2022-September-14, 09:45, said:

Is it REALLY better minor ?

If 3-3 or 4-4 in the minors, do you pick the better one or always pick the same one ?

That will affect what I do here

I don't like better minor with 4-4 in minor u open 1 diamond with 3-3 always 1 club .

[Cyberyeti]

michel444, on 2022-September-14, 10:28, said:

I don't like better minor with 4-4 in minor u open 1 diamond with 3-3 always 1 club .

Yup, that's pretty standard, I would start with 2♦ inverted. If I don't have that, 3N 13-15 3343/3334 is also possible.

[michel444]

Cyberyeti, on 2022-September-14, 11:00, said:

Yup, that's pretty standard, I would start with 2♦ inverted. If I don't have that, 3N 13-15 3343/3334 is also possible.

inverted minor is a great idea !
never understood what opener rebid after to show minimum openinig

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anyway this is west hand and oponet lead the 7 of♣ to king and i took with the ace of club tryed the diamond finees who lost and another club
i end up 1 down

[Cyberyeti]

michel444, on 2022-September-14, 13:38, said:

inverted minor is a great idea !
never understood what opener rebid after to show minimum openinig

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anyway this is west hand and oponet lead the 7 of♣ to king and i took with the ace of club tryed the diamond finees who lost and another club
i end up 1 down

Depends on whether you play 1♦-2♦ forcing to game or just a one round force, but 1♦-2♦-2♠ is how it's likely to start particularly if your invert can contain a 4 card major as ours can but most peoples' can't.

Many minimums bid 3♦ over the invert.

[mikeh]

michel444, on 2022-September-14, 13:38, said:

inverted minor is a great idea !
never understood what opener rebid after to show minimum openinig

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anyway this is west hand and oponet lead the 7 of♣ to king and i took with the ace of club tryed the diamond finees who lost and another club
i end up 1 down

So your choices were: reach 3N by responder and go down when they guess to lead a club AND the diamond hook fails or reach 5D by west and usually go down (you might make if you can take 3 spade tricks without losing one, but take away the impossible to value spade 9 and you’ll lose a spade trick much of the time,..take away the 10 instead, and you’ll lose a spade trick every time, or stay out of spgame with 26 hcp, every suit double stopped and a source of tricks

Bridge is fun in larger part because, no matter how well one bids, one can fail in a good contract or sometimes make a hair-raisingly bad contract

Shrug, move on.

As for my response…depends who I’m playing with. In one partnership, 1D promises an unbalanced hand )will have as few as 4 only if 1444/4144/4441) and now I’d use inverted. But we play a fairly complex set of responses…here opener would bid 3D to show a minimum and I’d bid the doomed 3N. C’est la vie

[michel444]

mikeh, on 2022-September-14, 16:23, said:

So your choices were: reach 3N by responder and go down when they guess to lead a club AND the diamond hook fails or reach 5D by west and usually go down (you might make if you can take 3 spade tricks without losing one, but take away the impossible to value spade 9 and you’ll lose a spade trick much of the time,..take away the 10 instead, and you’ll lose a spade trick every time, or stay out of spgame with 26 hcp, every suit double stopped and a source of tricks

Bridge is fun in larger part because, no matter how well one bids, one can fail in a good contract or sometimes make a hair-raisingly bad contract

Shrug, move on.

As for my response…depends who I’m playing with. In one partnership, 1D promises an unbalanced hand )will have as few as 4 only if 1444/4144/4441) and now I’d use inverted. But we play a fairly complex set of responses…here opener would bid 3D to show a minimum and I’d bid the doomed 3N. C’est la vie

Thank you very much !