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Correct Bidding MICHAEL'S CUE BID

Poll: CORRECT BIDDING (3 member(s) have cast votes)

WHAT SHOULD NORTH BID NOW

  1. Pass (0 votes [0.00%])

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  2. 3H (0 votes [0.00%])

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  3. 2NT (3 votes [100.00%] - View)

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  4. 3D (0 votes [0.00%])

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  5. 3C (0 votes [0.00%])

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#1 User is offline   quikwal 

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Posted 2023-May-28, 17:44

YOUR HAND
S: 9832 H: 8 D: KJ98 D: QJT9

THE BIDING
EAST PARTNER WEST YOU
1S 2S* P ?
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Posted 2023-May-28, 17:52



Does 2NT ask for partner's minor?
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Posted 2023-May-28, 19:35

View Postjillybean, on 2023-May-28, 17:52, said:



Does 2NT ask for partner's minor?

Sometime in the 70s, Bob Ewen, describing Michaels in one of his books, said you bid 3 , pass-or-correct. The Bridge World's review protested: One of the few things the reviewer thought was consensus was that 2NT asked for intervenor's minor.

The problem here is that you want to _pre-empt_ in intervenor's minor. So I guess it's got to be 4. On the theory that if 3NT could _possibly_ be to play, it is.
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Posted 2023-May-29, 00:08

A common agreement is, that 2NT is the strong, 3C the weak relais.
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Posted 2023-May-29, 02:46

View Postjillybean, on 2023-May-28, 17:52, said:



Does 2NT ask for partner's minor?


YES 100%
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Posted 2023-May-29, 03:36

But does 2NT promise some strength or is it asking only?
Is the Michaels Cue split range ( weak / strong ) or is it cont. strength?
Is it always 5/5 or is 5/4 possible?

(added after finishing the post)
What is the vulnerability?
Do we use IMP scoring or is MP scoring in place?

Someone may come up with add. questions, which should be answered, before you
can answer your question.

PS: And I would suggest to avoid ALL CAPS.
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Posted 2023-May-29, 13:14

View PostP_Marlowe, on 2023-May-29, 00:08, said:

A common agreement is, that 2NT is the strong, 3C the weak relais.

3 showing weakness is aid and comfort to the enemy.
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Posted 2023-May-29, 13:19

View Postbluenikki, on 2023-May-29, 13:14, said:

3 showing weakness is aid and comfort to the enemy.


Not necessarily, can be a horrible trap on what is a misfit or partial misfit if partner has clubs and a hand that will bid game if partner has diamonds.
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Posted 2023-May-29, 13:41

View Postbluenikki, on 2023-May-29, 13:14, said:

3 showing weakness is aid and comfort to the enemy.

Bidding 2NT with a weak hand is also problematic: it makes it simpler for opener to show
a good / strong opening, X by opener becomes a free action.

As it is, you may only need the two different versions to asks about the minor,
if you play cont. range, a style you may or may not like.
And if you dont need two versions, you can decide, which bid you prefer more,
which problem you think is less relevant, freeing up the other for whatever.
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Posted 2023-May-31, 12:17

"Michael's Cue", "Michaels Cue". "They're, their, there". Not quit the same thing, but...
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