[jillybean]

I played at the Club today, it was a fun day.

First a win, we stopped before before KeyCard, not everyone did.

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Second hand

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Do you agree with my bidding so far?

[bluenikki]

I think so little of the diamond holding that I would pass 2♠.

[jillybean]

bluenikki, on 2025-October-27, 20:22, said:

I think so little of the diamond holding that I would pass 2♠.

I did consider pass. A 1S overcall is wide ranging, X and 2S demands a bid

[smerriman]

jillybean, on 2025-October-27, 20:44, said:

X and 2S demands a bid

X and cue demands a bid, double and new suit is a good hand but not strictly forcing, though I would probably have still bid here too. But don't really have any idea what to make of 4♥.. surely can't be a control denying both minors, but also can't see how it could be natural, as partner would have raised or cue last round.. perhaps showing 2♠ was a misbid and they meant 2♥?

[jillybean]

I'm glad you are as confused as I was. Yes, you're right X and new suit not 100% forcing, but, damn near.

[awm]

I would've bid 3♣ at second turn. While partner's 2♠ after double is not forcing, your 7 points is normally enough for game and you should certainly not pass. While there are times that you are stuck raising partner's five-card spade suit with Qx, I think in general people are too eager to do this and when you're only at the two-level and have game values it's better to describe your hand in a natural way.

Anyway, with the auction as it is, I'd pass 4♥.

[jillybean]

Ok, thanks. That masterminding affliction is still with me, I don't think 3nt is a likely contract but I owe it to partner to bid my hand.

[jillybean]

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under discussion

[awm]

jillybean, on 2025-October-28, 06:16, said:

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under discussion

I don't understand the 4♥ bid. South's seven-card suit has been raised, surely it is better to play in that strain. If South's looking for slam (which seems wildly over-optimistic) then a 4♣ cue would be the right call here.

[Cyberyeti]

Would have overcalled 1♠ (even prefer 4♠) rather than X

Since X-cue-spades is forcing, what do people think 3♠ rather than 2♠ is in this auction ?

[jillybean]

This is a simple overcall for me too. When it comes back to me after pass pass 2D, I have a more interesting problem. 3S

[awm]

Cyberyeti, on 2025-October-28, 08:07, said:

Would have overcalled 1♠ (even prefer 4♠) rather than X

Since X-cue-spades is forcing, what do people think 3♠ rather than 2♠ is in this auction ?

For me, X-then-jump-new-suit is forcing (so 3♠ here would be forcing). Since double-then-bid has a range of something like 18-21, double-then-jump would be 22+; my general feeling is that it's not worth trying to stop short of game when you're this strong, since even a tiny useful feature in partner's hand (like the right queen, or three-card support) could make a game, whereas slam bidding gets a lot easier if you don't have to double-then-cue-then-bid (with the last bid often being FOUR spades).

I don't think the majority of experts agree with me though.

[pescetom]

 jillybean, on 2025-October-27, 18:54, said:

I played at the Club today, it was a fun day.

First a win, we stopped before before KeyCard
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Do you agree with my bidding so far?

Would you still have stopped had North held ♣K? If so then no, otherwise yes and I wonder if I can claim some credit

[pescetom]

jillybean, on 2025-October-28, 06:16, said:

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Partner's 4♥ is out of the bowl, as is immediately obvious to you.
I would bid 4♠ and wait for apologies next day.

[jillybean]

pescetom, on 2025-October-28, 12:15, said:

Would you still have stopped had North held ♣K? If so then no, otherwise yes and I wonder if I can claim some credit

Would I still have stopped if I held ♣K. Yes, shoot me, I am thinking this is a COG

[pescetom]

jillybean, on 2025-October-28, 14:16, said:

Would I still have stopped if I held ♣K. Yes, shoot me, I am thinking this is a COG

Don't shoot a horse if it doesn't know why to drink... but I think you would be wrong