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How many bids will this take? a hand from the club today

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Posted Yesterday, 16:35

1st seat

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Posted Yesterday, 16:42

View Postjillybean, on 2026-February-09, 16:35, said:

1st seat



Have they stopped moaning about the Dealer machine yet? :rolleyes:
And is it MP?

This is one of the few chances in a lifetime to trot out a 4NT specific Ace Ask with all Aces.
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Posted Yesterday, 17:12

Matchpoints, I dare anyone to grumble about computer dealt hands
"And no matter what methods you play, it is essential, for anyone aspiring to learn to be a good player, to learn the importance of bidding shape properly. MikeH
"100% certain that many excellent players would disagree. This is far more about style/judgment than right vs. wrong." Fred
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Posted Yesterday, 23:54

Set up as trump.
Ask KCs.
Bid 6 or 7 NT according to response.

A round King would also do, with an entry in trumps,
but no way to find about that, is it?

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Posted Today, 05:49

I can imagine opening 6nt on the basis that I have never done it and will most likely never get the chance again.
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Posted Today, 06:48

 Gerardo, on 2026-February-09, 23:54, said:

Set up as trump.
Ask KCs.


A strong 2 clubs opening is likely to catch 4 (at least) from opponents. Not easy to keycard in spades after that.


 Gerardo, on 2026-February-09, 23:54, said:



A round King would also do, with an entry in trumps,
but no way to find about that, is it?

Not sure what trumps is about.
Unless I'm missing something you need to find partner with either T or a lower one that can be promoted to exploit a round King, if that's what you are saying.

My specific Ace ask will find any King, but I think I would only risk 7NT if it finds K.
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Posted Today, 09:15



2 (PASS) 2positive with spades. (PASS). edited
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Posted Today, 09:34

 jillybean, on 2026-February-10, 09:15, said:



2:2 positive with spades


Has your partner seen you pull this stunt before? :)

Are the opponents at least vulnerable?

Say it goes

2 2 X 3
?

Or
2 2 P 4
?

Or even
2 5 P P
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Posted Today, 09:45

I've misled you,
Not surprisingly, the opponents aren't bidding.

When I wrote 1X:1Y. its an uncontested auction. 1X 1Y X P is a contested auction, isn't this standard? :)
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Posted Today, 09:57

 jillybean, on 2026-February-10, 09:45, said:

I've misled you,
Not surprisingly, the opponents aren't bidding.

When I wrote 1X:1Y. its an uncontested auction. 1X 1Y X P is a contested auction, isn't this standard? :)

Sure it's standard, I was not misled.
The stunt I refer to is artificially bidding a 2 card suit, a zealous Director might take issue unless it is alerted as "may be a fictitious suit" or similar.

I wouldn't be surprised if the opponents were bidding, there are three long suits and almost half the honours still out there. It pays to be aggressive with shape over strong openings.
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Posted Today, 11:39

View Postpescetom, on 2026-February-10, 06:48, said:

A strong 2 clubs opening is likely to catch 4 (at least) from opponents. Not easy to keycard in spades after that.



Not sure what trumps is about.
Unless I'm missing something you need to find partner with either T or a lower one that can be promoted to exploit a round King, if that's what you are saying.

My specific Ace ask will find any King, but I think I would only risk 7NT if it finds K.


then, similarly as you do, I'd bid 6NT over 4.

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Posted Today, 11:39

View Postjillybean, on 2026-February-10, 09:15, said:



2 (PASS) 2positive with spades. (PASS). edited


5N GSF
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Posted Today, 11:40

View Postjillybean, on 2026-February-10, 09:15, said:



2 (PASS) 2positive with spades. (PASS). edited


Define "positive". Does it promise the K?

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