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#1 User is online   pescetom 

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Posted Yesterday, 14:44

This time from pairs tournament.

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In your preferred partnership, would you have opened differently from 1 and if so, how and why?
What inferences if any do you have about the hearts of partner after 1?
What do you rebid now and what does it tell partner?
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Posted Yesterday, 14:53

We don't automatically bid 3 in front of 4, I will lie, 1-1-2N(GF unbal)-3(semi forced unless extreme dist)-3 (6/3).
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Posted Yesterday, 15:10

I agree with the 1 opening. 1 denies three hearts (the spades only get priority with slam interest, which is not possible as a passed hand). Do note the negative inference from failure to bid 2.

In my main partnership I'd bid 2NT Gazzilli, showing 5-5 GF. Responder asks with 3 and 3 shows secondary clubs. We don't have a way to find a 5-3 spade fit on that start. I suspect that a natural and game forcing 3 would be more effective here.
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Posted Yesterday, 15:11

I guess standard would be 3, but playing KI5 I use 2 to show the same bid. 4s (any strength) by opener are shown via 2.
If responder has 5<3 weak they bid 1N. After 1N I bid 4 (support) given a slam in is still possible.
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Posted Yesterday, 15:38

Standard is certainly 3 showing 5+ 4+, which exerts severe pressure on Responder if in a minimum misfit.
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Posted Yesterday, 18:07

1 (agree)
1 as expected!
3 is the only option I have, my partner can cope with it

nice problem
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Posted Yesterday, 18:31

I agree with David that 1S, by a passed hand, denies 3 hearts. I disagree with him on needing slam interest to bid spades, with heart support, as an unpassed hand. I think it standard that one raises hearts if one has only single raise values…it’s a beginner’s error to bid 1S with those hands. But I happily bid 1Scwith hands stronger than a single raise, since I like to describe my hand to partner.

As for the problem, playing normal 2/1 style methods this is a routine 3C, recognizing that strong jumpshifts by opener constitute one of the weakest areas of standard bidding theory. At least I have clubs rather than diamonds, which gives responder a 3D punt on some difficult hands, over which we bid a happy 3S.
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Posted Today, 00:21

View Postmikeh, on 2026-April-01, 18:31, said:

I agree with David that 1S, by a passed hand, denies 3 hearts. I disagree with him on needing slam interest to bid spades, with heart support, as an unpassed hand. I think it standard that one raises hearts if one has only single raise values…it’s a beginner’s error to bid 1S with those hands. But I happily bid 1Scwith hands stronger than a single raise, since I like to describe my hand to partner.

As for the problem, playing normal 2/1 style methods this is a routine 3C, recognizing that strong jumpshifts by opener constitute one of the weakest areas of standard bidding theory. At least I have clubs rather than diamonds, which gives responder a 3D punt on some difficult hands, over which we bid a happy 3S.


Do you really bid 2 with xxxxxxx, xxx, void, AJx or do you not pass this ? or bid 2 ?
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Posted Today, 00:31

I play Maas and 'support with support', and I choose to raise hearts even before showing spades with invitational hands. The continuations after 1-1 have gaps as well for hearts hands, which results in blasting just to get our support in. Some example auctions are 1-1; 3/3, 1-1; 2 or even auctions like 1-1; 3NT-4 where partner might have had slam aspirations on hearing of the support. All things considered I prefer supporting immediately, and I can show the spades after.

 Cyberyeti, on 2026-April-02, 00:21, said:

Do you really bid 2 with xxxxxxx, xxx, void, AJx or do you not pass this ? or bid 2 ?
I think it is a bad idea to pass this hand the first time around. However, if we change the seating and we are an UPH, I have sympathies for both a simple raise and a weak jump shift - with a hand this weak spades likely plays better despite the known fit.
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