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#21 User is online   mike777 

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Posted Yesterday, 15:08

 pescetom, on 2026-May-20, 14:57, said:

3NT seemed obliged to me: partner is doing that dance, we are in a game force and have been coy about stops so far.
But interested in other opinions.

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Posted Yesterday, 16:34

View Postmike777, on 2026-May-20, 13:13, said:

So 3D invites club slam? Is that an alert?

1057? They way I play it, Neb 2♣ denies 5 diamonds (or in this case 4) unless clubs are longer.
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Posted Yesterday, 16:38

View Postjillybean, on 2026-May-20, 16:34, said:

1057? They way I play it, Neb 2♣ denies 5 diamonds unless clubs are longer.



why not splinter with 7clubs and a heart void?

1c!=3h!
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Posted Yesterday, 16:41

View Postmike777, on 2026-May-20, 16:38, said:

why not splinter with 7clubs and a heart void?

1c!=3h!

I only jump around with weak gf hands.
"And no matter what methods you play, it is essential, for anyone aspiring to learn to be a good player, to learn the importance of bidding shape properly. MikeH
"100% certain that many excellent players would disagree. This is far more about style/judgment than right vs. wrong." Fred
"Hysterical Raisins again - this time on the World stage, not just the ACBL" mycroft
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Posted Yesterday, 16:43

View Postpescetom, on 2026-May-19, 14:19, said:

Partner's 2♣ response is a GF which denies a 4 card major but is nebulous about clubs.


Nebulous GF 2♣? After a nebulous 1♣ opener? I don't like it. What is a 1♦ response? After opener's 1 level response to 1♦, you can then use XYZ and get into a well defined auction at a low level.
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Posted Yesterday, 16:51

The new buzz word

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You are playing 2/1 GF with 15-17 1NT, 1♣ is 2+ cards and 1♦ 4+ cards.
Partner's 2♣ response is a GF which denies a 4 card major but is nebulous about clubs.
"And no matter what methods you play, it is essential, for anyone aspiring to learn to be a good player, to learn the importance of bidding shape properly. MikeH
"100% certain that many excellent players would disagree. This is far more about style/judgment than right vs. wrong." Fred
"Hysterical Raisins again - this time on the World stage, not just the ACBL" mycroft
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Posted Yesterday, 20:06

Ok, lets see the hand? Per favore
"And no matter what methods you play, it is essential, for anyone aspiring to learn to be a good player, to learn the importance of bidding shape properly. MikeH
"100% certain that many excellent players would disagree. This is far more about style/judgment than right vs. wrong." Fred
"Hysterical Raisins again - this time on the World stage, not just the ACBL" mycroft
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Posted Today, 01:12

 jillybean, on 2026-May-20, 20:06, said:

Ok, lets see the hand? Per favore

ASAP, when I hit a PC and have a moment.
Have a regional tournament to organise in a new venue and Murphy looking over my shoulder :)
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Posted Today, 01:19

 mike777, on 2026-May-20, 16:38, said:

why not splinter with 7clubs and a heart void?

1c!=3h!

We don't play direct splinter of Responder over a minor, only over a major.
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Posted Today, 01:22

 johnu, on 2026-May-20, 16:43, said:

Nebulous GF 2♣? After a nebulous 1♣ opener? I don't like it. What is a 1♦ response? After opener's 1 level response to 1♦, you can then use XYZ and get into a well defined auction at a low level.

Yeah, mikeh thought it was weird too.
If you like, I'll poll our players what they think about better minor, inverted minors and Jacoby :)
As I wrote above, I too would tend to bid diamonds looking forwards to XYZ. Unfortunately this partner plays has no convention over XYZ or XYN.
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Posted Today, 04:10

 pescetom, on 2026-May-20, 14:57, said:

But interested in other opinions.
Shape information is crucial. This 2♣ bid has clarified the lack of a major fit (unless opener has a 5cM, which is very rare) but is completely ambiguous about minor suit length.
Unsurprisingly, this regularly leaves you with insufficient information to find minor suit contracts. You will be faced with impossibly 3NT vs 5m vs 6m decisions with some regularly.

I think this auction is one of them. You neglected to share shape, and are now playing a guessing game. I guess 3NT when in doubt, and do so here. If, additionally, you want to find minor suit fits or slams, change the methods.
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