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#1 User is offline   mike777 

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Posted 2005-December-08, 12:06

Scoring: MP


P=1D=1S=3D
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P=close to opener in your style, but clear pass.
1S=With you as a passed hand and NV 1spade overcall does not guarantee an opening hand and may or may not be lite.
3D=explained as "limit raise or better". Btw the 3D bidder is a Forum regular and is just killing you this round. 1D opener is self profiled as an expert player.
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Posted 2005-December-08, 12:19

Seems straight foward. IF RHO had passed, I would have worried about a raise to 2 not being enough (hopefully like me, you would have had 2 avaialble as "sound raise" to 2.)

So you are clearly willing to compete here. The problem is, you don't know. Would hearts be a better strain than spades? Would a 3 just be "competitive" not showing necessarily as much as you have, and maybe showing more spades? Who knows, maybe 3X is a better contract than either major? What to do?

Oh wait, how about double? If partner passes this responsive double, you rate to get a good score. If partner bids 3 you can try 3. If partner jumps to game or bids 3NT, all is well. If partner bids 4 I will correct to 4 very happy with my now highly useful holding.

So I will double.
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Posted 2005-December-08, 12:41

3S.
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Posted 2005-December-08, 12:55

Down one doubled (-100) vs 3D making (-110) wins the MP parade. And with 3S you will like a S lead if LHO tries 3NT.
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Posted 2005-December-08, 12:57

Al_U_Card, on Dec 8 2005, 01:55 PM, said:

Down one doubled (-100) vs 3D making (-110) wins the MP parade. And with 3S you will like a S lead if LHO tries 3NT.

If they X I'm more worried about -500 vs -110 :ph34r:
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Posted 2005-December-08, 13:02

Jlall, on Dec 8 2005, 01:57 PM, said:

Al_U_Card, on Dec 8 2005, 01:55 PM, said:

Down one doubled (-100) vs 3D making (-110) wins the MP parade.  And with 3S you will like a S lead if LHO tries 3NT.

If they X I'm more worried about -500 vs -110 :ph34r:

Ahhh the thrill of MP, well pretty much 8 trumps and 8 losers opposite 8 losers adds up to 8 tricks so put the 'phones back on and relax .......
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Posted 2005-December-08, 13:12

Well no one has commented on 3d meaning "limit raise or better"? Does that mean if I pass that 3D is one round force since opener has to worry about "better'?

On the other hand since no one is concerned with what 3D means perhaps it just saps concentration from what I should do?
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Posted 2005-December-08, 13:23

I'm not entirely comfortable but I see no other option but 3S. Pass seems too conservative.
Please note: I am interested in boring, bog standard, 2/1.

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Posted 2005-December-08, 13:32

Depends on who pard is. If conservative, bid 3. If reckless, pass quickly.
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Posted 2005-December-08, 14:46

I also noted the bizarre explanation of 3 as limit or better. Are we sure it was not a 2 bid alerted as limit or better in ?

Anyway, regardless, I bid 3. I am not making a responsive double and hanging partner with his 5=3=2=3 hand: who knows, he may bid 3. I bid a comfortable 3... with no guilt not matter the outcome... next hand, please.
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Posted 2005-December-08, 15:24

Hi everyone

I bid 3S wtp? If partner is known to have a 'death wish' style of overcalls, that might have been mentioned 'before' we were asked to bid.

You might have the other pair between a 'rock and a hard place' on this hand.

If they double you in 3Ss, down one will still beat their score of 110 for 3Ds.

If they contine higher, partner will tend to lead a spade vs 3NT 'if' you raise.

If they outbid you in 4Ds, I have hopes of beating that contract.

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Posted 2005-December-08, 18:42

I like doubling, its pretty close to 3, but I think I would double.
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Posted 2005-December-10, 14:51

Fluffy, on Dec 8 2005, 05:42 PM, said:

I like doubling, its pretty close to 3, but I think I would double.

:P I don't understand this bid (i.e. the double). What sort of hand are you advertising? Would someone please elucidate. How do you anticipate the auction to continue?
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Posted 2005-December-10, 18:40

Thanks all for your replies. At the table I bid 3S which my partner agreed with.
3S was down 2 but could have been held to down 1. 3D would be down 2 as they were in a 4-3 D fit.
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Posted 2005-December-10, 20:01

Hi beatrix45

I play the double here as limit+ spade raise. A bid of 3Ss is not quite a limit raise,
much like a sound single raise.

Some players like to use the double here as negative. I have values, please do something smart.

Hi mike777

Would you mind posting your partners hand that went two off.

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Posted 2005-December-10, 20:20

double is take out, that means: somekind of support as well as nad probably s adn some values, at this level something like I have,
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Posted 2005-December-10, 20:20

Scoring: MP

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Posted 2005-December-10, 23:47

OK, let's see. I have no problem with 1D, although it is not standard. I don't like 1S, I overcall with a decent hand or a decent suit. 3D as limit raise or better is a big overbid (as well as a weird convention or explanation). Seems like we were the only sane one at the table for bidding 3S.
Please note: I am interested in boring, bog standard, 2/1.

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Posted 2005-December-11, 01:59

1S has a lot going for it despite the conventional wisdom. I'm all for it, especially white/white matchpoints where you dont need much of an excuse to bid.
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Posted 2005-December-11, 08:53

the 1 overcall is a bad bid, but i'd do it pretty much all the time at matchpoints (unless, maybe, vulnerable)
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