1♦ - 1♥ - 1NT - p
2♣ - x
What means the double?
Please try to explain why it shouldn't be any other choice.
Opps played polish club, but it doesn't matter here. You can take they play standard.
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Double Double after overcall
#2
Posted 2006-February-24, 04:10
Always take out. Pard passed - thats why.
If it shows 4 card spade - not always.
If it shows 4 card spade - not always.
#3
Posted 2006-February-24, 04:18
Take out, for example:
♠KQxx
♥AQJxx
♦Kxx
♣x
whereas 2♠ in this position would show more playing strength:
♠KQxx
♥AQJxxx
♦Ax
♣x
It can't be penalty, if you have ♣ you just pass and hope they don't go back to ♦ (yea dream on)
♠KQxx
♥AQJxx
♦Kxx
♣x
whereas 2♠ in this position would show more playing strength:
♠KQxx
♥AQJxxx
♦Ax
♣x
It can't be penalty, if you have ♣ you just pass and hope they don't go back to ♦ (yea dream on)
#4
Posted 2006-February-26, 07:05
OK, thanks for comments.
Now modification:
Assume, that
1♦ - x
is an normal take out
OR
5+♥ & 4♠, (9)11-15
What would this double mean?
1♦ - 1♥ - 1NT - p
2♣ - x
Now modification:
Assume, that
1♦ - x
is an normal take out
OR
5+♥ & 4♠, (9)11-15
What would this double mean?
1♦ - 1♥ - 1NT - p
2♣ - x
#6
Posted 2006-February-27, 02:31
Jlall, on Feb 27 2006, 03:22 AM, said:
takeout.
What hand it could be?
#8
Posted 2006-February-27, 10:57
If you'd normally double with 5+♥ and 4♠, there are fewer reasons for doubling here to be takeout. Nonetheless, it seems better to have general agreements about the meaning of doubles rather than try to come up with a huge list of special cases, and so I'd still interpret this as takeout. Some typical hands:
KQx
KJxxxx
AQx
x
JTxx
AQJxxx
x
Ax
The first hand has extra values, but the heart suit is not so great. It seems reasonable to suggest playing in spades if partner has 5♠, or even four good spades and short hearts.
The second hand does have four spades, but I would much prefer to overcall 1♥ with the substantial disparity in suit lengths and quality. This has the advantage of being a good lead director for example.
KQx
KJxxxx
AQx
x
JTxx
AQJxxx
x
Ax
The first hand has extra values, but the heart suit is not so great. It seems reasonable to suggest playing in spades if partner has 5♠, or even four good spades and short hearts.
The second hand does have four spades, but I would much prefer to overcall 1♥ with the substantial disparity in suit lengths and quality. This has the advantage of being a good lead director for example.
Adam W. Meyerson
a.k.a. Appeal Without Merit
a.k.a. Appeal Without Merit
#9
Posted 2006-February-27, 11:35
With your added condition, I suppose an argument could be made for several different treaments. Without any particular discussion I don't see why it is not still for takeout. Something like extra values and a strong three card holding in spades. Often this is what it would turn out to be without the extra agreement, but I don't see why it changes (except you can be more confident that doubler doesn't hold four spades). I imagine partner will often bid hearts in response, and you will be in a strong 5-2 fit, but he can trot out something else if his hand warrants. I guess if he has a lot of clubs he can pass. I must be missing something, as this seems pretty straightforward to me.
Ken
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