[Echognome]

Scoring: IMP

1♥ - (1NT) - 2♠ - (2NT)*
?

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*Lebensohl.

What now kemo sabe?

[hrothgar]

Something smells rotten in the state of Denmark.

I have a 19 count. LHO is showing a strong NT.
My partner rates to have 6 Spades and a weakish hand
RHO rates to have 6+ Clubs

In theory, LHO could hold something like

AQ
KJxx
xxxx
AQx

Partner MIGHT have bid 2♠ on an empty six or seven card suit. However, its also very likely that LHO is having a bit of fun.

1. I think that we need to ask a couple questions

What's the difference between the following auctions?

1♥ - (1NT) - 2♠ - (2NT)
4♣

and

1♥ - (1NT) - 2♠ - (2NT)
P - (3♣) - P - (P)
4♣

2. Do we trust that LHO will actually complete the puppet to 3♣?

I'm gonna bid an immediate 4♣. This looks like the safest way to investigate a spade slam.

[Echognome]

As per questions regarding agreements, it's a fine exercise, but assume you are playing with a new partner (as I was) with the only discussion being that you are playing 2/1.

[hrothgar]

Echognome, on Mar 4 2007, 06:26 PM, said:

As per questions regarding agreements, it's a fine exercise, but assume you are playing with a new partner (as I was) with the only discussion being that you are playing 2/1.

The question about methods was directed so much at you as to the peanut gallery as a whole.

I certainly don't have detailed agreements about difference between the two sequences...

[000002]

i don't know what is the meaning of "kemo sabe" in english,would anyone like to explain?thanks


although such,i understand 5♠ better than 4♣.
the reason is 2♠ guarantee 6cards+,and length of ♣:1/2/3+,means ♥+♦<=4cards.
my english so poor,i have to use logical symbol to tell u.


sorry


regards 000002

[hrothgar]

000002, on Mar 4 2007, 07:09 PM, said:

i don't know what is the meaning of "kemo sabe" in english,would anyone like to explain?thanks


although such,i understand 5♠ better than 4♣.
the reason is 2♠ guarantee 6cards+,and length of ♣:1/2/3+,means ♥+♦<=4cards.
my english so poor,i have to use logical symbol to tell u.


sorry


regards 000002

"kemo sabe" is an expression used in the old "Lone Ranger" radio shows.

The character "Tonto" was a Native American scout. He used this expression when addressing the Lone Ranger. There is a fair amount of debate about the origins of the expression. The following URL has a decent write up.

http://www.tcnj.edu/...nn/kemosabe.htm

[jdonn]

hrothgar, on Mar 4 2007, 09:52 AM, said:

Something smells rotten in the state of Denmark.

I have a 19 count.  LHO is showing a strong NT.
My partner rates to have 6 Spades and a weakish hand
RHO rates to have 6+ Clubs

In theory, LHO could hold something like

AQ
KJxx
xxxx
AQx

Partner MIGHT have bid 2♠ on an empty six or seven card suit.  However, its also very likely that LHO is having a bit of fun.

1.  I think that we need to ask a couple questions

What's the difference between the following auctions?

1♥ - (1NT) - 2♠ - (2NT)
4♣

and

1♥ - (1NT) - 2♠ - (2NT)
P - (3♣) - P - (P)
4♣

2.  Do we trust that LHO will actually complete the puppet to 3♣?

I'm gonna bid an immediate 4♣.  This looks like the safest way to investigate a spade slam.

I won't pretend like I have ever thought about 1), but the answer to 2) is fairly and squarely no way.

I don't know yet that anyone has psyched, though the 1NT bidder may have. But LHO could easily have something like Qxx KJx xx AKQJx or so, partner AJxxxx x x xxxx, and RHO 6 diamonds, a pile of squadoosh, and an adventerous spirit at the vul. I am just going to bid 6♠, trusting (hoping) that either partner has the ace of spades, partner has a stiff heart, or his second heart can go on a diamond. I am actually pretty confident since it's not like he should bid with nothing here vul, and if I miss a grand I'll simply move on with life.

[1eyedjack]

If overcaller exposes the psyche by passing Lebensohl, should you trust partner to protect? Or perhaps that is putting a tad too much pressure on a partner who believes that he has already bid his hand.

[P_Marlowe]

Hi,

4S.

If you believe in a psych, you have the option to choose 5S.

With kind regards
Marlowe

[whereagles]

4♠ now, before they disentangle their club suit.

Can't really believe we have 6 here (possible tho).

[Fluffy]

I don't think there is any psycke here, 4♠ should be enough

[helene_t]

"kor no sabe" is Spanish Creole for "I don't know how to protect my heart honours against the lead".

I double 2NT for now although it probably won't become clearer whether to bid 6♠ or not. Ideally we may belong in 6♦ in my hand to protect against the heart lead but I have no clue how to reach that

[Winstonm]

I would expect pard to be able to bid 2S on as little as QJxxxxx, xx, x, Kxx so I don't want to hang him. I think 4C here still must be splinter, so I start with that and over the expected 4S will bid 5D, trying to wake up parter to the knowledge that AQxxxx and out is enough for slam.

[mike777]

I know it is against the law to open 2clubs with 2 or 3 suited hands, but I would have tried it here, oh well.

[cherdano]

Why is everybody so sure that 4♣ is a splinter? Could it not be a huge 5-5? 2♠ is non-forcing, so I would assume 3♣ isn't forcing either.
I am not saying 4♣ shouldn't be a splinter, just wondering why nobody else is considering it to be natural.

[pclayton]

cherdano, on Mar 4 2007, 01:47 PM, said:

Why is everybody so sure that 4♣ is a splinter? Could it not be a huge 5-5? 2♠ is non-forcing, so I would assume 3♣ isn't forcing either.
I am not saying 4♣ shouldn't be a splinter, just wondering why nobody else is considering it to be natural.

I can't see 4♣ being a splinter either, since 3♣ is clearly NF.

I'd just blast 6♠. Passing 2N may work (and cuebidding something), but you probably aren't going to get pard to cooperate in this auction anyway.

[jdonn]

Jlall, on Mar 4 2007, 04:49 PM, said:

I'm really amazed by all the 4S bidders. What? Partner bid 2S...

I mean wow, you need nothing for a slam. queen sixth of spades will make slam as long as partner has only 4 red cards (very likely), and that is nowhere near what a person needs to bid 2S.

winston said:

I would expect pard to be able to bid 2S on as little as QJxxxxx, xx, x, Kxx so I don't want to hang him.

Huh? Slam is cold opposite this hand.

I was about to make pretty much this exact same post till you beat me to it. I still agree with us both that I'm far more worried about missing a grand than not making slam, even if 1NT wasn't a psych.

[the hog]

6S for me. So many hands opposite will make 6. Btw I would take 4C as a splinter, but can't see much point here.