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Pass, Double, or Sacrifice? The misadventures of Rex and Jay-#5397

Poll: What do you bid now? (18 member(s) have cast votes)

What do you bid now?

  1. Pass (6 votes [33.33%])

    Percentage of vote: 33.33%

  2. Dbl (0 votes [0.00%])

    Percentage of vote: 0.00%

  3. 5 Diamonds (12 votes [66.67%])

    Percentage of vote: 66.67%

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Posted 2007-March-12, 10:54

You hold in 4th hand:
Scoring: IMP
in team match at favorable colors.

LHO and partner pass, RHO opens 1♣. You overcall 1♦, LHO bids 1♠. Partner jumps into the fray with 4♦, now 4♠ by RHO and it is back to you for yet another excruciating pass, pull, or double decision.

What do you do and why?
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Posted 2007-March-12, 11:48

I've got two defensive tricks, and nothing remotely close to a 3rd trick. I expect 4♦'s to show an offensive distributional hand without much defensive values. Can't see that we'll beat 4♠. At worst we go for -500 in 5♦'s - partner's short suit is in spades.
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Posted 2007-March-12, 12:33

This doesn't seem excruciating to me. Pard has a weak hand with 5 diamonds and some shape. I expect the ♦A in his wares, but thats it. 5♦ is probably 500, but maybe 300 on a good day, and thats what I will bid.

Maybe I'll hear a 5♠ call on my left, which we might be able to set.
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Posted 2007-March-12, 13:00

pclayton, on Mar 12 2007, 01:33 PM, said:

This doesn't seem excruciating to me. Pard has a weak hand with 5 diamonds and some shape. I expect the ♦A in his wares, but thats it. 5♦ is probably 500, but maybe 300 on a good day, and thats what I will bid.

Maybe I'll hear a 5♠ call on my left, which we might be able to set.

agreed: this is a simple decision for me: partner said: do you want to save? And my answer is 'yes'.

Partners don't ask this question, opposite a one level overcall, with 2 defensive tricks.
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Posted 2007-March-12, 13:04

OK, I will fold my tent quickly.

Now consider the followup:

You hold
Scoring: IMP
. RHO passes, you pass, LHO opens 1♣, partner overcalls 1♦. RHO bids 1♠ and it is back to you.

What is your bid and why?
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Posted 2007-March-12, 13:05

2♠ because I've got good support for partner's suit.
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Posted 2007-March-12, 13:06

3D is enough, with both opps bidding I don't think we have game, I think we can make 3 but not sure about 4. I don't mind if the opps bid game, I like our chances of beating it.

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Posted 2007-March-12, 13:16

Methods are nice to have here (2♣ as solid 2♦ raise, 2♦ more or less a noise, 2♠ limit raise, 3♣ flower (notwithstanding the 1♣ bid), 3♦ weak etc.

Assuming these (or some of them) are unavailable, and taking solace from my passed hand status, I bid 3♠ splinter, with 2♠ limit as my second choice.

This is a GOOD hand. Opposite a good overcall, say Axx Jxx KQxxx Kx, game is excellent.
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Posted 2007-March-12, 13:22

microcap, on Mar 12 2007, 11:04 AM, said:

OK, I will fold my tent quickly.

Now consider the followup:

You hold
Scoring: IMP
. RHO passes, you pass, LHO opens 1♣, partner overcalls 1♦. RHO bids 1♠ and it is back to you.

What is your bid and why?

This is a great hand. 2♣ is possible, but I like a 3♠ splinter.
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Posted 2007-March-12, 13:42

pclayton, on Mar 12 2007, 03:22 PM, said:

This is a great hand. 2♣ is possible, but I like a 3♠ splinter.

2♣ is not enough. Either 2♠ or 3♠ seems OK.
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Posted 2007-March-12, 16:53

Firstly I would have made a jump overcall of 2D with your hand. (1C) 1D takes away no space from the opps and really is a meaningless noise. What do you hope to achieve opposite a passed hand? Secondly having bid 1D, your partner should now find a 3S splinter. 4D is a poor bid, suggesting far more offence and nothing in defence.
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Posted 2007-March-12, 17:20

The_Hog, on Mar 13 2007, 12:53 AM, said:

Firstly I would have made a jump overcall of 2D with your hand. (1C) 1D takes away no space from the opps and really is a meaningless noise. What do you hope to achieve opposite a passed hand? Secondly having bid 1D, your partner should now find a 3S splinter. 4D is a poor bid, suggesting far more offence and nothing in defence.

Miraculously, I agree with everything The Hog is saying! 4♦ is pre-emptive with little defence; that hand is way too good.

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Posted 2007-March-12, 17:35

I agree with hoggie and roland.

Ouch, that hurt! ;)
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Posted 2007-March-13, 07:33

I often agree with The Hog but to do this in this company is a unkonown feeling. Maybe this is the first timeever, that this happens.
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Posted 2007-March-13, 14:23

I must disagree then :)

2♦ is probably best, but althou not stated, I suposed that system didn't allow us since many people plays it as majors.
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Posted 2007-March-13, 14:34

1d ok, but thought about 2d
3s splinter looks ok....ugg4d :)
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Posted 2007-March-14, 19:29

Wasn't partner hoping to bounce them into 4S, when he bid 4D? X is clear.
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