[cherdano]

3♣ shows a good suit, right?
Anyway, I bid 3♦ and pray partner bids 3N. Really tough, partner will be reluctant to do so, but I think I have to try. Over 3♥ I will just bid 3N myself.

[Echognome]

Agree with 3♦.

[pclayton]

3N. Pard rates to have very good red suit cards. xx, AQ, Kx, JTxxxxx

6♣ may be on. Of course, pard may have a spade honor and 3N is silly. But the hand feels like 3N to me.

Can someone explain to me why 3♦ is a stop instead of a suit?

[Impact]

I must have missed something in the translation as I thought the problem suggested invitational natural ie good suit in C with 6+cards and I hold what....so I check that we are playing with same deck/board first.

The 3m natural I response was designed a) to make it easier to reach 3NT with running suit and to plug the hole in the system created by either 2/1 GF and/or forcing NT.

Assuming that is the case and there is no room left for mistaken assumptions (gee looking at my hand it sounds more like a S raise of some description), I follow the Punish Partner Principle: so he must have at least 7C to at least JT (or any 8card C suit I guess), and about 10-11HCP (lower would be unacceptable given the quality of his suit, and with focus on controls and WITHOUT a S top Honour as doubleton S Honour would be better bid in almost any other fashion) so I am almost left with HAK DK as his Honours - now if he has a singleton S I want to be in 6C, so I bid 4C forcing!!!

[Apollo81]

3♦. Given your definition of 3red, I think this is by far the easiest of the five you posted.

[foo]

Pd seems to be one of those that thinks the 3♣ IJS can be made on any invitational hand w/o support for our 1st suit containing 6+♣.

Since we are looking at the ♣ honors, pd must have a good 10 to a soft 12 w/ all their HCP's in their short suits- implying combination like AKx, AQx, KQx, etc in the short suits.

So, =2236, =2326, =1336, Inv opposite ♠Jxxxx♥xx♦Ax♣AKQx

implies something like x.KQx.KQx.Jxxxxx in pd's hand.

[jdonn]

I would bid 3♦ then probably 5♣, which I hope is along these lines.

[mike777]

3d
partner may have:

A...Qxx....KQx....JTxxxx

I have never played this so I am just guessing what 3clubs shows

[Free]

3NT, I don't want my RHO to lead ♠ against 3NT from partner. Since p is invitational and doesn't hold ♠ fit, his values will probably be in ♥ and ♦. Btw, opps still have to lead the right suit in case there is one...

[Fluffy]

3♦ by now

[hatchett]

3♦.

3NT might be off if partner has a stiff or void spade, if they win the first trick and switch to spades. 5♣ must surely be making, it's going to be hard to bid 6♣ if it's right but 5♣ on the next round might give partner a clue as to our hand type.

[Edmunte1]

3♦ for now, followed by 4♣-5♣

[Codo]

3 ♦ followed by the lowest possible Club bid:

4 Club to 3 NT or 3 Heart
5 Club to 4 Club
and
6 Club to 5 Club (just to justify my first sentence)

[Apollo81]

Jlall, on Jun 20 2007, 11:33 PM, said:

Apollo81, on Jun 20 2007, 10:08 PM, said:

3♦.  Given your definition of 3red, I think this is by far the easiest of the five you posted.

maybe, but given that partner has 7 clubs almost for sure given our holding isn't a stiff spade pretty likely? In that case we make 6C opposite not much at all, and we will probably be safe in 5C.

I suppose I should have added that I would pull 3NT to 4♣ hoping partner can bid RKC. He is in a much better position to do so than I am since all my values are keycards. If he just raises to 5♣, fine.

[bid_em_up]

pclayton, on Jun 20 2007, 09:28 PM, said:

Can someone explain to me why 3♦ is a stop instead of a suit?

Because it makes no sense to pattern out when partner just showed 6+ clubs? Either you have a club fit or you dont. If you dont, you can pass 3C (on a bad hand) and hope partner can make it or bid 3N yourself or rebid your original major.

But if you have a real good fit (like here) and a reasonable hand, aren't you better placed by being able to start showing controls immediately?

It seems to me that any new suit bid after 3C needs to be control showing and fit showing with the minor suit as probe for 3N/5m/6m.

Just a guess.

[skjaeran]

I'll start by bidding 3♦. My next call will be 4♣ over 3M/NT from partner or 5♣ over 4♣.

If partner has short ♠'s we might easily make 6♣.

[Gerben42]

It appears the right game is probably 3NT so I will try 3♦ now and get partner to bid them 3NT.

[FrancesHinden]

I don't get all these 3D "stopper" bids either (except that Justin has said they are stopper-showing), that sounds like spades-and-diamonds to me, not Ax AKQx in the minors.

I bet that if you have been dealt

AKxxx
x
KQJxx
Kx

you would bid 3D over 3C, then 4C next and say happily that you had bid out your hand and partner can make the final decision.

(If you bid 3D and pass 3NT it's fair enough to say that 3D was just a stop, but anyone planning to bid on over 3NT doesn't seem to have described their hand)

As it is, the right action on this hand seems to depend a bit on what 3C shows. I've seen suggestions such as 1336 with lots of red suit honours. I don't think A Qxx KQx J10xxx is anything like an invitational 3C bid, surely he has at least 7 clubs possibly more, and is virtually certain to be very short (possibly void) in spades as he's prepared to play in 3C on a J-high suit on a misfit.

While we might be making 6C opposite the right hand, it might also depend on the lead. I am bidding 5C and let them decide what to lead. They might choose a 'passive' trump which is probably great for us.

With a 5(13)4 I'd do more.