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#1 User is offline   cnszsun 

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Posted 2007-June-22, 18:04

Scoring: IMP

1♦-(2♣)-?

What's your plan?
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Posted 2007-June-22, 18:11

cnszsun, on Jun 22 2007, 07:04 PM, said:

Scoring: IMP

1♦-(2♣)-?

What's your plan?

3s, no problem yet.
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Posted 2007-June-22, 18:26

3S.

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Posted 2007-June-22, 19:30

If you're playing WJS in comp then 3♠.
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Posted 2007-June-22, 20:30

Pass.
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Posted 2007-June-22, 22:45

Either 3♠ Weak or 3♠ Fit Showing Jump are fine with me.
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Posted 2007-June-22, 23:13

With ♦10xxx I think 3♠ is wrong. You need so little from partner to make 4♠. And partner won't always raise.

So 4♠ is my choice.
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Posted 2007-June-23, 01:08

With my regular partner I'd start with 2♥ - transfer, and take it from there. If partner just accepts (denying a fit and other descriptive rebids), it's close between 3♦ and 3♠. I'd probably rebid 3♦, our known 9+ fit. This is mildly invitational, and partner should have some chance to evaluate.
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Posted 2007-June-23, 02:22

4S, time to jam the pot.
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Posted 2007-June-23, 02:55

4♠, wtp? (i never post wtp but this one cries out for it)
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Posted 2007-June-23, 05:56

Jlall, on Jun 23 2007, 03:22 AM, said:

4S, time to jam the pot.

Just as in the Milne books, making a habit of doing this with soft 5 counts is going to end up with you having jam all over your paws and face, greedy Pooh.
...not to mention the times that "the bees" work out to sting you.

You are Red. You have =0= controls. pd only promises 2-4 of them with a typical 1bid. pd could even have :P =♣= values!

Bidding 4♠ on this hand is simply not partnership Bridge.
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Posted 2007-June-23, 06:07

I predict a unanimous vote for 4♠.
Please note: I am interested in boring, bog standard, 2/1.

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Posted 2007-June-23, 06:11

Hannie, on Jun 23 2007, 07:07 AM, said:

I predict a unanimous vote for 4♠.

??? 7 of the posts in this thread so far have voted against 4♠. Some have even voted against bidding.
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Posted 2007-June-23, 06:25

I'll stick with my prediction, thank you. Those 7 posters might still come to senses.
Please note: I am interested in boring, bog standard, 2/1.

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Posted 2007-June-23, 06:55

For those who are bidding 3♠ as a fit-showing jump, what is your definition of the right hand for that call? Is it simply a fit, plus a bunch of this suit I'm now bidding? Is it showing a concentration of values, whatever values you may or may not have? Is it focusing the second suit as the necessary fit (swan here) or the first and the probable? Is the call used for slam auctions, competitive, and preemptive all at the same time? Are there any minimum honor contribution expectations?

For those bidding 4♠, is this bid also undefined? Is there some theory that somehow the opposition decision after 4♠ will never possibly lead to partner having his own 5-level decision (see Justin's similar problem from earlier -- Vegas)?
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Posted 2007-June-23, 07:02

Why is no one bidding TWO ♠? Its either that or pass... Bidding 4♠ now stops you from finding 6 of something.
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Posted 2007-June-23, 07:25

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Why is no one bidding TWO ♠?


Because the hand isn't strong enough.

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Posted 2007-June-23, 09:53

2 ♠ this hand is much much better then the one Justins Pd held in Vegas, so how can this be wrong?
Besides the fact that Justin himself bids 4 of course?
Maybe the hand is too good for a NFB for him?

Actually my hand is good enough for 2 Spade. If pd bids any silly bids like penalty doubles, 3 NT or the like, I will correct his descission.
Only other choice is 4 Spade, but I would like to play 5 Diamond opposite x,Kxx,AKQJxx,xxx, and I guess that I will never reach a Diamond contract after a 4 Spade bid.
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Posted 2007-June-23, 11:58

2♠ promises defensive values I lack of.

If partner opened 1♣ I'd pass or bid 3♠, but after 1♦ it has to be 4♠.
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Posted 2007-June-23, 12:55

Hannie, on Jun 23 2007, 08:07 AM, said:

I predict a unanimous vote for 4♠.

QJ65432 isn't good enough to blast 4♠ on my own IMO
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