[gwnn]

Scoring: IMP

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p-p-(3♣)-X
(4♣)-p-p-X
p-?

Pass or not?

[Fluffy]

not at imps

[P_Marlowe]

pass.

I believe, the chance that we will go plus is higher
this way, 4 tricks are 6 less than 10.

With kind regards
Marlowe

[skjaeran]

Jlall, on Jul 22 2007, 09:10 AM, said:

I always feel oldschool when I see this type of hand and pass doesn't even occur to me lol.

Why oldschool??
I'd not pass either.

I agree with Uwe that going plus might happen more often when passing, but passing and going minus (-710) will hurt a lot. Bidding and going -100 doesn't hurt as much (we do lose 7 IMPs compared to +200). I don't expect to beat 4♣ more than one, it will make more often than many believe and we'll also go plus declaring on quite a few hands. All in all I guess bidding is winning.

[FrancesHinden]

wouldn't occur to me to pass at any form of scoring.

Maybe this is 'old school' but partner made a take-out double, we take it out.

[helene_t]

If this is old school, what's the new school? Total tricks always less than total trumps, or some such?

[Halo]

Bid.

No choice for me.

[foo]

gwnn, on Jul 21 2007, 04:57 PM, said:

East,Both,IMP,

98xx, 75xx, xxx, Jx

p-p-(3♣)-X
(4♣)-p-p-X
p-?

Pass or not?

The Americans have a Country and Western song with the line "Sometimes you're the windshield. Sometimes you're the bug."
Today we are the bug.

Pd's X's scream that they have a good hand with no ♣ cards.
Your ♣J is effectively garbage. We essentially have a flat zero count with too many cards outside of ♣'s.
You do not rate to do well no matter what you do here.

So do whatever will cause the =least= long term damage to your partnership.

[P_Marlowe]

foo, on Jul 22 2007, 07:11 AM, said:

<snip>
The Americans have a Country and Western song with the line "Sometimes you're the windshield. Sometimes you're the bug."
<snip>

Nice, in germany we have a poem from Goethe or Schiller (dont
ask me which one) (Goethe, I looked it up):

"You can be amboss or hammer."

With kind regards
Marlowe

[jdeegan]

3♥. I can't imagine an argument in favor of a pass.

[SoTired]

can't pass because I have no trump and no defense. I bid 4H today, 4S next time I hold this hand.

Hasn't anybody heard the rule when responding to a takeout dbl: The less you have, the more you have to bid.

[neilkaz]

Jlall, on Jul 22 2007, 02:10 AM, said:

I always feel oldschool when I see this type of hand and pass doesn't even occur to me lol.

Pass also doesn't occur to me with a hand that can't take a trick vs 4♣x

[Robert]

Hi jdeegan

The auction is at 4CsX when it gets to you. Bidding 3Hs here might be a tiny problem when the TD arrives.

Regards,
Robert

[gwnn]

passers get -910
bidders get -200 or -500 in 4♠
i'm not sure of 4♥

Partner has

KJxxx stiff Q offside
AJx 4-2 split
AKQT 5-1 split
K

Hard not to X second time also. The junior I saw in the vugraph theater passed and there was quite a support from commentators for his decision, which amazed me. I asked a BBO golden star player and he/she told me that passing is the only sane choice, which led me to suspect that my bridge knowledge could be totally parallel to winning bridge.

[ArtK78]

Passing is not the only sane choice.

The opps told you that partner does not have a strong balanced hand, which would be the best argument for passing 4Cx.

The only remaining argument for passing 4Cx is that partner is likely to be able to take 4 tricks. I cannot be sure of that, especially with my major suit length.

I bid 4H (unless someone can suggest to me why 4D should mean "choose a major" - I think 4D means diamonds, although I would like it to mean "choose a major").

Personally, I like the suggestion of jdeegan that the correct bid here is 3H. But the opps may not let me get away with that.

I can understand passing, but to commend it as "the" right call or "the only sane choice" is silly. The result points out exactly how silly it is. Pass is better at matchpoints than at IMPs, but I don't know if it is right even at matchpoints.