[mike777]

As usual Winston you get to the heart of the matter.

We have had House elections since 2001/2002.
We have had Senate elections since then
We had Presidential race since then


If Bush and his ilk lied/over and over lied, cheated.....propaganda......use your phrase here, and sent us to war and kept us in a war in Iraq for 5+ years at some point....we start hating ourselves for not changing things....thus the hate and vulgar comments about so many policymakers around Bush.......And Congress did what....and the American voters overwhelming voted the liar out and did good.....

[kenrexford]

I'm mad that Michaels Johns was voted off. At least that helps my man, David Cook.

[PassedOut]

mike777, on Apr 13 2008, 07:02 PM, said:

As usual Winston you get to the heart of the matter.

We have had House elections since 2001/2002.
We have had Senate elections since then
We had Presidential race since then


If Bush and his ilk lied/over and over lied, cheated.....propaganda......use your phrase here, and sent us to war and kept us in a war in Iraq for 5+ years at some point....we start hating ourselves for not changing things....thus the hate and vulgar comments about so many policymakers around Bush.......And Congress did what....and the American voters overwhelming voted the liar out and did good.....

The NYT has an informative article today about how the Bush administration knowingly and agressively pushed lies to the public:
Behind TV Analysts, Pentagon’s Hidden Hand

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Some Pentagon officials said they were well aware that some analysts viewed their special access as a business advantage. “Of course we realized that,” Mr. Krueger said. “We weren’t naïve about that.”

They also understood the financial relationship between the networks and their analysts. Many analysts were being paid by the “hit,” the number of times they appeared on TV. The more an analyst could boast of fresh inside information from high-level Pentagon “sources,” the more hits he could expect. The more hits, the greater his potential influence in the military marketplace, where several analysts prominently advertised their network roles.

“They have taken lobbying and the search for contracts to a far higher level,” Mr. Krueger said. “This has been highly honed.”

[Winstonm]

For us in the Vietnam War age bracket, this is not a surprising quote from the above linked article:

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....few expressed regret for participating in what they regarded as an effort to dupe the American public with propaganda dressed as independent military analysis.

The politicization of the military and the intelligence agencies has been going on for years, with each successive administration adding to the obfuscation - the current group seems to have raised this to an artform, unfortunately.

But it certainly did not start with Bush and Cheney - even as far back as the Vietnam "body counts" the apparatus has been spewing false information - and I'm sure before then, too.

Why do we continue to allow its toleration with the nicety of calling it "spin", why don't we call it what it is - agenda driven propaganda?

And why do we tolerate it?

[Al_U_Card]

Remember the Maine?

Because they feel sufficiently empowered to lie and get away with it, like they have been for the last century or so.

They rig the monetary system to ensure that you have enough debts that you are too preoccupied with keeping solvent for you to pay attention to hard concepts like accountability and responsibility.

Look at the statements since 1960. They lie and then cover up the lies with more lies and then "lose" or dispose of documents or even witnesses (mysterious accidents) when scrutiny gets too great. Welcome to the police state. Can't say you weren't warned.