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Posted 2010-May-04, 05:02

I hate multi, except when my opponents play it.

Yesterday I had A10xx Ax xx A10xxx, everybody vulnerable at MPs.

2D - p - 2H - p
p - Dbl - p - 3D
p - p - ??

3D was explained as probably showing values. What should I do?
and the result can be plotted on a graph.
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Posted 2010-May-04, 05:22

I'd bid 3♥
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Posted 2010-May-04, 05:32

I think you should do exactly what you would have done if the auction had been

2H - Dbl - p - 3D (probably showing values)
p - p - ??

which is 3♥ for me.
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Posted 2010-May-04, 05:34

indeed.
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Posted 2010-May-04, 05:38

Bid 3♥ on the first round.
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Posted 2010-May-04, 05:46

Just to make it clear, can partner have 5 cards here? It is the Netherlands after all...
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Posted 2010-May-04, 05:59

gwnn, on May 4 2010, 01:46 PM, said:

Just to make it clear, can partner have 5 cards here? It is the Netherlands after all...

No.
In first or second seat my Dutch partner ands opponents hold 6 hearts.

What is it with our reputation? Are we such unsound bidders?
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Posted 2010-May-04, 06:09

dicklont, on May 4 2010, 12:59 PM, said:

No.
In first or second seat my Dutch partner ands opponents hold 6 hearts.

What is it with our reputation? Are we such unsound bidders?

In Mumbai, Shogi (Dutch) and I played against a pair of Indian internationals. Shogi opens 3♣. Opp asks me if it is a Dutch or an English preempt. I said we played rather sound preempts for Dutch standards. Shogi appears to have 10 points an a good 7-card clubs. Opp says he refuses to believe Shogi is Dutch, he never saw a Dutch player preempt with more than 5 HCPs before.

OK, I suppose that was off-topic since the query was about HCPs not about suit length.
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Posted 2010-May-04, 06:14

I don't see what your problem has to do with multi.
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Posted 2010-May-04, 06:26

dicklont, on May 4 2010, 11:59 AM, said:

gwnn, on May 4 2010, 01:46 PM, said:

Just to make it clear, can partner have 5 cards here? It is the Netherlands after all...

No.
In first or second seat my Dutch partner ands opponents hold 6 hearts.

What is it with our reputation? Are we such unsound bidders?

After hanp left for Holland he's been bidding like crazy.
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Posted 2010-May-04, 06:57

hanp, on May 4 2010, 06:02 AM, said:

I hate multi, except when my opponents play it.

Yesterday I had A10xx Ax xx A10xxx, everybody vulnerable at MPs.

2D - p - 2H - p
p - Dbl - p - 3D
p - p - ??

3D was explained as probably showing values. What should I do?

IMO you should start trying to figure out how you can take 5 defensive tricks. Along those lines my inclination is to try and give partner a ♣ ruff.
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Posted 2010-May-04, 07:12

hanp, on May 4 2010, 06:02 AM, said:

I hate multi, except when my opponents play it.

Yesterday I had A10xx Ax xx A10xxx, everybody vulnerable at MPs.

2D - p - 2H - p
p - Dbl - p - 3D
p - p - ??

3D was explained as probably showing values. What should I do?

is this a problem about how to make up for my failure to make an invitation by bidding game at the second attempt?
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Posted 2010-May-04, 08:31

Seems like it depends a lot on your preempting style. For me the choice is between double and 3H, double really seems like too much of a crap shoot given that I expect to make 3H a very large portion of the time, so I'd bid 3H.
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Posted 2010-May-04, 08:39

hotShot, on May 4 2010, 01:14 PM, said:

I don't see what your problem has to do with multi.

If Han's partner would've opened 2♥ (which is NF), Han's RHO would've had to act immediately and risk his neck. Now he was able to wait a round, see what happens, and Dbl a lot more safely.
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