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2♦ would show ♥ or ♠, Dbl would not be penalty
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Posted 2010-June-04, 19:02
Pass Pass 1NT(14-16) ?
2♦ would show ♥ or ♠, Dbl would not be penalty
2♦ would show ♥ or ♠, Dbl would not be penalty
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Posted 2010-June-04, 19:13
First option in the poll looks perfect to me.
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Posted 2010-June-04, 20:49
No choice for pass and lead a high heart?
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Posted 2010-June-05, 00:01
Rob F, on Jun 4 2010, 07:49 PM, said:
No choice for pass and lead a high heart?
No, it is just ridiculously unlikely that both 1N and 2H are down, among the usual reasons to bid. Anyway agree with jdonn, though we could have slightly less.
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Posted 2010-June-05, 00:32
rogerclee, on Jun 5 2010, 08:01 AM, said:
Rob F, on Jun 4 2010, 07:49 PM, said:
No choice for pass and lead a high heart?
No, it is just ridiculously unlikely that both 1N and 2H are down, among the usual reasons to bid. Anyway agree with jdonn, though we could have slightly less.
I find pass to be obvious alternative.
The only reason I don't choose it, is because it leaves me in no-mans-land if responder acts. Like transfering to spades.
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We should always assume 2/1 unless otherwise stated, because:
- If the original poster didn't bother to state his system, that means that he thinks it's obvious what he's playing. The only people who think this are 2/1 players.
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We should always assume 2/1 unless otherwise stated, because:
- If the original poster didn't bother to state his system, that means that he thinks it's obvious what he's playing. The only people who think this are 2/1 players.
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Posted 2010-June-05, 01:30
4♥. 1 card with pard can be enough to make this and there's a good chance he has that.
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Posted 2010-June-05, 01:38
If I had the heart jack passing might be reasonable.
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Posted 2010-June-05, 02:31
OleBerg, on Jun 5 2010, 07:32 AM, said:
I find pass to be obvious alternative.
The only reason I don't choose it, is because it leaves me in no-mans-land if responder acts. Like transfering to spades.
The only reason I don't choose it, is because it leaves me in no-mans-land if responder acts. Like transfering to spades.
Isn't that why it's obviously not an alternative?
... that would still not be conclusive proof, before someone wants to explain that to me as well as if I was a 5 year-old. - gwnn
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Posted 2010-June-05, 03:20
gnasher, on Jun 5 2010, 10:31 AM, said:
OleBerg, on Jun 5 2010, 07:32 AM, said:
I find pass to be obvious alternative.
The only reason I don't choose it, is because it leaves me in no-mans-land if responder acts. Like transfering to spades.
The only reason I don't choose it, is because it leaves me in no-mans-land if responder acts. Like transfering to spades.
Isn't that why it's obviously not an alternative?
Potaeto, potato.
Edit: And pass is higher on my list than 3♥.
Edit2: And I agree with Jlall about having the ♥J. Then it is still agamble, but ar least we are assured, that if it works, the patient will live.
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We should always assume 2/1 unless otherwise stated, because:
- If the original poster didn't bother to state his system, that means that he thinks it's obvious what he's playing. The only people who think this are 2/1 players.
Gnasher
Do not underestimate the power of the dark side. Or the ninth trumph.
Best Regards Ole Berg
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We should always assume 2/1 unless otherwise stated, because:
- If the original poster didn't bother to state his system, that means that he thinks it's obvious what he's playing. The only people who think this are 2/1 players.
Gnasher
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Posted 2010-June-05, 04:17
D for penalty.
Since partner for some reason has insisted not to play this, I'll try option 1 and prepare myself for minus 100.
Since partner for some reason has insisted not to play this, I'll try option 1 and prepare myself for minus 100.
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Posted 2010-June-05, 04:46
Option 1. Option 2 4H. Pass and penalty x don't rate.
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Posted 2010-June-05, 07:34
Gerben42, on Jun 4 2010, 08:02 PM, said:
Pass Pass 1NT(14-16) ?
2♦ would show ♥ or ♠, Dbl would not be penalty
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2♦ would show ♥ or ♠, Dbl would not be penalty
This is unclear! "Or" is not the same as "Either...Or...". Does 2♦ mean partner is to select a major or does it mean he is forced to bid 2♥ and you will either pass, raise, or correct. BTW I assume the former and call 2♥
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Posted 2010-June-05, 11:19
MFA, on Jun 5 2010, 05:17 AM, said:
D for penalty.
Since partner for some reason has insisted not to play this, I'll try option 1 and prepare myself for minus 100.
Since partner for some reason has insisted not to play this, I'll try option 1 and prepare myself for minus 100.
Haha these were my thoughts exactly fwiw. One of the benefits of penalty Xs is not to "get them" it's that you can X and then bid 2M to show a strong hand so you can find some games while still stopping in 2 if partner is very weak.
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Posted 2010-June-05, 11:44
Jlall, on Jun 5 2010, 07:19 PM, said:
MFA, on Jun 5 2010, 05:17 AM, said:
D for penalty.
Since partner for some reason has insisted not to play this, I'll try option 1 and prepare myself for minus 100.
Since partner for some reason has insisted not to play this, I'll try option 1 and prepare myself for minus 100.
Haha these were my thoughts exactly fwiw. One of the benefits of penalty Xs is not to "get them" it's that you can X and then bid 2M to show a strong hand so you can find some games while still stopping in 2 if partner is very weak.
It is also to ebable the partnership to compete better for partials, especially if you have one (or maybe even more?) take-out doubles available.
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Best Regards Ole Berg
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We should always assume 2/1 unless otherwise stated, because:
- If the original poster didn't bother to state his system, that means that he thinks it's obvious what he's playing. The only people who think this are 2/1 players.
Gnasher
Do not underestimate the power of the dark side. Or the ninth trumph.
Best Regards Ole Berg
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We should always assume 2/1 unless otherwise stated, because:
- If the original poster didn't bother to state his system, that means that he thinks it's obvious what he's playing. The only people who think this are 2/1 players.
Gnasher
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Posted 2010-June-05, 12:08
Everyone plays penalty doubles now? 
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Posted 2010-June-05, 12:15
When they let us play CRASH on GCC, instead of CHASM, we can go back to Double for big trick-taker vs strong NT.
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Posted 2010-June-05, 12:55
your 15 and opps 15 leave around 10 hcp ---thats a LOT ---and a lot can happen if you dont take space away. I suggest you bid 4h under the theory that if P can take a trick the club finesse is a HUGE favorite to succeed. 4h might or might not make but it will rarely be doubled and the jump might prevent opps from finding game on their own.
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Posted 2010-June-05, 13:09
gszeszycki, on Jun 5 2010, 11:55 AM, said:
your 15 and opps 15 leave around 10 hcp ---thats a LOT ---and a lot can happen if you dont take space away. I suggest you bid 4h under the theory that if P can take a trick the club finesse is a HUGE favorite to succeed. 4h might or might not make but it will rarely be doubled and the jump might prevent opps from finding game on their own.
no offense, but after a 2♥-3♥ sequence, partner should raise with a sure trick anyway. That means that you are probably going for a number when partner can't raise, likely vs their non-making game or making partscore. Meanwhile, on the sequences where game is likely to make, I'm in game because partner raised, and in the sequences where game is unlikely, I'm in 3♥, most likely undoubled.
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Posted 2010-June-05, 16:03
2♦ then 2♥ to 3♥.
Are we also boosting 2♠ to 4♥? What is 2♦...2♠...3m?
Are we also boosting 2♠ to 4♥? What is 2♦...2♠...3m?
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Posted 2010-June-05, 16:13
Phil, on Jun 5 2010, 10:03 PM, said:
Are we also boosting 2♠ to 4♥? What is 2♦...2♠...3m?
Sure we are, partner should have 3+ hearts and some shape, we're favourites to make 4♥ are we not?
3m should be I guess hearts+values in this minor. We have values in both minors so we bid 4♥
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