[Crunch3nt]

Scoring: IMP

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West North East South
1♠ Pass 1NT Pass
2♦ Pass 2♠ ?

1♠ = 5 card Majors
1NT = Forcing (2 over 1)
2♦ can be 3

Do you now, Pass or Double?

[rbforster]

I doubled 1N last round, for takeout.

[Hanoi5]

I double now, since I didn't last time.

[bluecalm]

I might have doubled 1NT last round but I don't consider it clear action.
Now I pass. They bid my primary suit (diamonds) and it doesn't look like they have big spade fit.

[Little Kid]

Easy pass.

[Phil]

Might have x'd last time but its pretty risky.

Definitely pass now. Balancing 101 is not to get involved in these potential misfit auctions.

[peachy]

Dbl. We can have a fit in three suits, opener might have only 3 diamonds if 5-3-3-2. Even if he has four, makes no difference, we still have two other possible fits and enough arsenal to compete.

[gwnn]

pass and pass

[kayin801]

Partner has 4-5 spades, likely. At IMPs I'd just let it go but at MP I'd consider a X.

I don't think partner is ever gonna pull our X here, but I'm okay defending with 2 aces. Partner will pass, lead their stiff, and likely score a couple of ruffs and a natural trump trick or two, hopefully.

[gszeszycki]

risk vs reward. Rho has limited their hand but opener can still have quite a range for their 2d bid. Last thing we need is to hear xx and subsequently go for a phone number when we could have settled for a small minus or even small plus defending 2s when p has a stack.
P rates to have a spade stack and will leave x in most of the time surely we arent seriously expecting to defeat spades more than 1 trick. My hearts stink and surely
an X here would encourage p to make a potentially disastrous H lead. Too many negatives for small window of positive.

[dburn]

Pass, assuming that partner can double 2♠ for penalty if West passes. If North wants to do that I will be pleased, but I am not going to force him to defend 2♠ doubled if he would not decide to do so on his own.

[mikegill]

Pass/Pass. Somewhat close to doubling the first time (I would do it white at MPs I think) Doubling over a usually misfit 2♠ when the next hand could still have serious extras and has an easy XX to nail you is crazy.

[jjbrr]

mikegill, on Jun 13 2010, 11:57 AM, said:

Pass/Pass. Somewhat close to doubling the first time (I would do it white at MPs I think) Doubling over a usually misfit 2♠ when the next hand could still have serious extras and has an easy XX to nail you is crazy.

+1. I admit I wouldn't double the first time, though.

[Crunch3nt]

I am suprised by poll results. I thought a huge majority would double. I agree with all the comments about it being a misfit, but think that makes it an obvious double as we know partner has 5 trumps and we have good defensive values. I don't think partner has quite enough to double for himself. Here is full hand - an easy +800 if you double.

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[jjbrr]

[ ] we know partner has 5 trumps

[mikeh]

Crunch3nt, on Jun 13 2010, 02:06 PM, said:

I am suprised by poll results. I thought a huge majority would double. I agree with all the comments about it being a misfit, but think that makes it an obvious double as we know partner has 5 trumps and we have good defensive values. I don't think partner has quite enough to double for himself. Here is full hand - an easy +800 if you double.

Dealer: ????? Vul: ???? Scoring: Unknown

♠ KQ984 ♥ KJ107 ♦   ♣ Q753 ♠ AJ653 ♥ Q5 ♦ KQ8742 ♣   ♠ 102 ♥ A86 ♦ 1053 ♣ K10842 ♠ 7 ♥ 9432 ♦ AJ96 ♣ AJ96

most good players would open that west hand 1♦, not 1♠, and now they find their 9 card fit, not to mention that partner would have overcalled 1♠.
I would have passed throughout

BTW, while it is fair to infer that partner probably has 5 trumps, it's not a sure thing (RHO could hold a really bad 3 card raise) and LHO could be just short of a jump shift and, most of all, if the opps held the 98 of spades, and LHO had a little more, this could be bloody our way, not theirs.

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Now would you post this hand?

[whereagles]

shd have double before... now it's too late. Pass

[gwnn]

Crunch3nt, on Jun 13 2010, 07:06 PM, said:

I agree with all the comments about it being a misfit, but think that makes it an obvious double as we know partner has 5 trumps and we have good defensive values. I don't think partner has quite enough to double for himself. Here is full hand - an easy +800 if you double.

If you don't mind me asking, why did you ask a question if you thought the answer to it was obvious?

[gszeszycki]

for all of you convinced p has a spade stack consider the following auction we had couple of days ago.

1s p 1n (forcing) p
2d p 2s p
p p(after 10 second delay)

after opening lead hit table and p saw dummy my p said 1n??
anyway we made 2s opps were cold for 3h and many made 4.
I explained I was hoping to steal the board vs making a normal pass.
If you don't use 1n forcing this way maybe it is a good weapon to
add to your arsenal.


my hand was

Q876
765
932
643

rho had xx QJxxx x Kxxxx rho admitted he wanted to x but
was convinced his p had a spade stack. X for penalty when you
have a trump stack is a poor idea since it gives responder
another chance to improve their fate. Be happy you can set them
and use the X as takeout.