[zasanya]

Should this hand be opened 1NT ?If P bids 2♦ (transfer to ♥ ) would you bid 2♠ which is superaccept of ♥ with a 4 card ♠ suit?Would the addition of a Jack in either ♠ ♥ or ♦ suit make a difference to your answer?

Scoring: IMP

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[Free]

Should it be opened 1NT?
No, you can play a style where you open 1NT with this hand, but you can also play a style where you open 1♠. It depends on your agreements about 1NT openings.

Should we superaccept?
Definitely not! I only super accept with max and 4+M. We are max, but we don't have a 4th ♥, so just bid 2♥. Again, style is an issue here: you can play super accepts with maximum offensive hands, I just wouldn't do it with a 3 card support...

[whereagles]

Agree with opening 1NT because it doesn't mess up much with follow ups and it makes opening 1♠ a more precise bid.

Superaccept? Yes because of the excellent controls.

[hanp]

I would open 1NT but not with an extra jack. With 17 HCP and a 5-card major I open 1M and rebid 2NT.

[gwnn]

Don't superaccept on three
don't superaccept on three
don't superaccept on threeeee
this nobody can deny.

[kfay]

I basically only super-accept when my hand doesn't have many losers. Looking at controls is a poor way of evaluating here.

Partner bids on with some hands where we make game (Kxx KJxxx xxx xx) but bids on with hands where 2 may be the limit (xxx KJxxx xxx Kx) and at the least game is not good, especially when they know to not lead ♠.

Having 'wasted' values in ♥ isn't really that appealing, either, (if I had, say, AQxx... since you generally should have 4 trumps to super-accept). AKQJxxxxx between us borders on the overkill department.

[P_Marlowe]

Hi,

I would open 1H.

In the end, that is a matter of partnrship agreement.
Similar, it is a matter of partnership agreement, if a superaccept with only
3 card is sensible.
Assuming you have agreed befre hand (!), that a superaccept with 3 cards
is ok, and that a 2S superaccept showes max. and 4 spades, than the hand
is certainly wort it, but keep in mind, what you had previously agreed on.

This is nothing you come up during the play of a hand.

With kind regards
Marlowe

[zenko]

You probably meant 1S, regarding super accepting with 3, I do not recall ever anything good coming out of it

[gszeszycki]

Dealer: South
Vul: N/S
Scoring: IMP
♠ AQxxx
♥ AQx
♦ Axx
♣ xx

at IMPS we strain hard to reach games so the concept of super accept is a bit
looser because of the increased reward/risk ratio. In the case where super accept
can be done bidding a side (hopefully 5 card) suit I would look at my hand and decide if 5/6 hcp in trumps/side suit would make a good game. If so I super accept. Certainly I would be more than pleased to have p bid game with
Kx Kxxxx xxx xxx. Think of the super accept as a help suit game try ----when your values are in trumps and p help suit they are at their most valuable.

[pooltuna]

zasanya, on Jun 18 2010, 02:19 AM, said:

Should this hand be opened 1NT ?If P bids 2♦ (transfer to ♥ ) would you bid 2♠ which is  superaccept of ♥ with a 4 card ♠ suit?Would the addition of a Jack in either ♠ ♥ or ♦ suit make a difference to your answer?

Dealer: South Vul: N/S Scoring: IMP

♠ AQxxx ♥ AQx ♦ Axx ♣ xx

Q1] yes
Q2] no
Q3] yes I would bid 2NT which shows 3 cards ♥ with 2 of top 3 honors and a max

[zenko]

zenko, on Jun 18 2010, 07:29 AM, said:

You probably meant 1S, regarding super accepting with 3, I do not recall ever anything good coming out of it

But I do recall losing an important knock out match on the last board some 20 years ago because my partner super accepted with 3. Yes, I can hold a grudge with the best of them, longer than an elephant.

[gwnn]

If an elephant caught you superaccepting with 3, he could -rightfully- just crush you under his big heavy feet or choke you with his trunk. I don't think your analogy holds water.

[Cyberyeti]

Open 1N, don't superaccept.

We've had a lot of success superaccepting on 3 after a 2N opener, but the criteria are fairly strict, 2 of top 3 in your own 5 card suit, at least one in partner's, and he knows it's 3 card support, there are other superaccepts with 4 card support, but I wouldn't try it after a 1N opener.

[zenko]

gwnn, on Jun 18 2010, 08:35 AM, said:

If an elephant caught you superaccepting with 3, he could -rightfully- just crush you under his big heavy feet or choke you with his trunk. I don't think your analogy holds water.

http://animals.howst...hant-memory.htm

Oh I did that too AND I am still mad at him

[peachy]

Only superaccept with 4-card support, not three. I would open it 1NT or 1S, depending on partner.

[jdonn]

I played last weekend and, when partner had overcalled 1NT over 1♦ and I transferred to spades, I bid game over a superaccept on Qxxxx xx x J98xx thinking it was a close decision. It made opposite AKJx AQx Kxxx Tx. My point is, the point of superaccepts is not even to make them on a max, meaning better than average hand. It's to make them on a super max, in other words a hand that has clear worries of missing game opposite less than an invitation. There are definitely hands with 17 that I don't think are worth a super accept, and I think most hands with 16 aren't worth it. I can't imagine a hand with 16 and 3 trumps could be worth it.

[mike777]

zasanya, on Jun 18 2010, 02:19 AM, said:

Should this hand be opened 1NT ?If P bids 2♦ (transfer to ♥ ) would you bid 2♠ which is   superaccept of ♥ with a 4 card ♠ suit?Would the addition of a Jack in either ♠ ♥ or ♦ suit make a difference to your answer?<!-- ONEHAND begin --><table border='1'> <tr> <td> <table> <tr> <td> Dealer: </td> <td> South </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Vul: </td> <td> N/S </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Scoring: </td> <td> IMP </td> </tr> </table> </td> <td> <table> <tr> <th> <span class='spades'> ♠ </span> </th> <td> AQxxx </td> </tr> <tr> <th> <span class='hearts'> ♥ </span> </th> <td> AQx </td> </tr> <tr> <th> <span class='diamonds'> ♦ </span> </th> <td> Axx </td> </tr> <tr> <th> <span class='clubs'> ♣ </span> </th> <td> xx </td> </tr> </table> </td> <td>  </td> </tr> </table><!-- ONEHAND end -->

Prefer 1s with xx in side suit.

Yes, this is a problem hand.
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I would never super accept in hearts but then I would not open 1nt.

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Possible auction might be BART:

1s=1nt
2c=? if 2d then now
3h=?

[zasanya]

ty all.My teammates who play 2/1 are having difficulties with handling hands in 16-17 range with 5 card major and 5-3-3-2 .System call is 1NT.When P transfers to other major it is difficult to find the double fit if a fit exists in other major too.Sometimes a game/slam is missed.So we wondered if a 3 card support superaccept is playable.

[mike777]

zasanya, on Jun 20 2010, 01:34 AM, said:

ty all.My teammates who play 2/1 are having difficulties with handling hands in 16-17 range with 5 card major and 5-3-3-2 .System call is 1NT.When P transfers to other major it is difficult to find the double fit if a fit exists in other major too.Sometimes a game/slam is missed.So we wondered if a 3 card support superaccept is playable.

with xx in side suit, yes problem hand.

BART can help a bit, not perfect.---------

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As for second issue after 1nt. you should be able to find your major fits if 5-4.

stayman and then jump in other major:

1NT=2C
2D=3H=FORCING 5S AND 4H OR



1NT=2C
2D=3S=FORCING 5H AND 4S.

[the hog]

I would definitely open 1NT and I would not super accept.