[CSGibson]

Scoring: IMP

1♦-(1♥)-X-(p),
5♦-(P)-?

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Context - 2/1 system, partner cannot make any artificial game force, though cue-bid is possible, I guess. Teams of 4 in a home match as a GNT practice session, this is the flight B team vs the flight A team (opps are A).

Agree with negative double last time? Do you pass or raise now?

[P_Marlowe]

Hi,

Assuming 1S showes a 5 carder, X was your only reasonable bid.

Now I pass.

With kind regards
Marlowe

[gwnn]

I think 0-10 tricks is more likely than 12 tricks. Yea yea yea, that's just another reason for raising yea yea yea.

pass.

[andy_h]

Pass, I fear two losers in the red suit(s).

[pooltuna]

6♦ I do have a lot more values than I could have

[gszeszycki]

Dealer: North
Vul: Both
Scoring: IMP
♠ A842
♥ J9753
♦
♣ AQJ5
1♦-(1♥)-X-(p),
5♦-(P)-?

The bidding can eliminate hands with solid dia (since our x showed sp/cl opener had an easy 3h bid asking for a stop if they held say Kx void AKQJxxxx xx
or some such. What minimum kind of hand did we need to x in the first place?
Kxxx
xxx
xx
Kxxx
more less? the answer to that question should answer whatto do next. If we feel we have the minimum pass since we are fairly certain p has at least 1 dia loser. If your minimum is like my minimum (shown) then we have to bid 6d since we are way above minimum and any reasonable 5d bid by p should give us play for 6d. We cannot bid their cards only ours and trust they bid theirs properly.

[andy_h]

I think this is a bit of a guess since apparently partner can't make any artificial game forces. We also don't know what 3♥ by partner would be (splinter agreeing spades?) and also what 4♦ would be (6♦4♠? long diamonds?)

I don't quite regard this hand as "I could have a lot more values than I have so therefore I raise", but it's the meaning of 5♦ that creates the uncertainty. For example is it the likes of
K x AKJ10xxxx Kxx or -- xx AKQxxxxxx Kx or KQx -- AKQJxxx Kxx. I agree that we do have a few aces up our sleeves, but if we have a heart loser and partner's diamonds are long but not solid then slam isn't looking so good.

[hanp]

The first question that comes to mind is, is partner a complete idiot or not?

[gwnn]

As our hand is getting better and better, our side's expected combined assets grow slower than our hand. I am not sure if this is relevant here but I thought I'd just throw this out there.

[hanp]

Yeah it is irrelevant but it does make you look really smart Csaba. ♥

[CSGibson]

hanp, on Jun 21 2010, 07:32 AM, said:

The first question that comes to mind is, is partner a complete idiot or not?

This is a competent partner, definitely not a complete or incomplete idiot, but we haven't played much together (she was an addition to our team after one of our other players couldn't go, which is one of the reasons for this home practice match).

[jjbrr]

I'd just pass.

[Apollo81]

Good luck partner.

[Phil]

Pass.

I don't think partner has solid diamonds. Does he have a 1st round heart control? Hell if I know.

After the hand I will gently explain how a cue bid followed by a ♦ call is forcing.

[neilkaz]

Phil, on Jun 21 2010, 02:06 PM, said:

Pass.

I don't think partner has solid diamonds. Does he have a 1st round heart control? Hell if I know.

After the hand I will gently explain how a cue bid followed by a ♦ call is forcing.

Pass also.. noting that pard didn't open 2♣. Agreed cube followed by 4♦ is very forcing.

I hope he makes this.

.. neilkaz ..

[wank]

if my opps raised to 6c on this auction i'd call the director - either they've seen the hand records, or i can get average plus for the round after they fail the drug test.

[dake50]

Feels as if I have AQJ above minimum neg-X, 6D.

[Crunch3nt]

Partner is a good player and yet has made a very unusual call. Not going via 2H at least is very odd. What could compel a competent partner to avoid 3NT so promptly and take away all our room? Only a heart void and extreme shape something like 3082 with a 1 loser suit in diamonds eg KQx - AQJ10xxxx xx

I raise to 6D. I think not raising is an insult to your partner.

[CSGibson]

Crunch3nt, on Jun 21 2010, 06:45 PM, said:

Partner is a good player and yet has made a very unusual call. Not going via 2H at least is very odd. What could compel a competent partner to avoid 3NT so promptly and take away all our room? Only a heart void and extreme shape something like 3082 with a 1 loser suit in diamonds eg KQx - AQJ10xxxx xx

I raise to 6D. I think not raising is an insult to your partner.

You got this almost exactly right. Partner has:

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Making 6 easily on 3-2 diamonds and a heart lead.

Quick question: If you were to get a low spade lead, instead of the ace of hearts, would you be inclined to run it to the queen, or play for the long diamond hand to have at least 3 clubs?

[aguahombre]

CSGibson, on Jun 22 2010, 12:12 AM, said:

Making 6 easily on 3-2 diamonds and a heart lead. 

Quick question:  If you were to get a low spade lead, instead of the ace of hearts, would you be inclined to run it to the queen, or play for the long diamond hand to have at least 3 clubs?

That question is not quick. Opening leader made vul overcall. You are missing AKQ of hearts. Feels like righty must have the K (no heart lead). Righty was silent. but, do they play Rosencranz? Do they use it with KX and out? Overcaller is a favorite to have the spade King, but........

My guess is that both lines work