[Fluffy]

♠K10
♥7
♦Q643
♣A98653


nobody vul east is dealer

(pass)-pass-(pass)-1♦
( 2 ♣ ) - ??

[mike777]

pass.

[TWO4BRIDGE]

Pass.... intending to convert partner's reopening DBL ...

[gnasher]

Support, which is nearly always the correct answer to Fluffy's question. Pass deserves to get

1♦ 2♣ pass 2♥
pass 4♥

[655321]

TWO4BRIDGE, on 2011-January-09, 18:56, said:

Pass.... intending to convert partner's reopening DBL ...

I have bad news for you about Santa Claus and the Easter Bunny.

[mtvesuvius]

3♣, and 655321 said it very well. Besides, it's always good to bid your longest suit first, right?

[whereagles]

3♣.

Reason: it is very likely pard has a singleton club, thus he rates to be unbalanced with 5 diamonds. That makes our hand magical and we should convey that message right away. Unless RHO is joking, we probably have a slam here. In fact, if I could only make one bid here, it would be SIX DIAMONDS.

[l milne]

3♣, although I'm not that far from 3♥. Just seems a little too mental though.

[rduran1216]

I think expecting game here is bonkers

Are we expecting partner to not have a 4432 or 4441 or 3451 or 4450 12 count?

3C might not be game forcing, but what will we do over 3D, which I assure you is what partner is bidding

I can see trying to slow the opps down from getting to 4H if they belong there, but i can't imagine doing it expecting to head to game or...slam?

[cherdano]

rduran1216, on 2011-January-10, 17:23, said:

I think expecting game here is bonkers

Are we expecting partner to not have a 4432 or 4441 or 3451 or 4450 12 count?

3C might not be game forcing, but what will we do over 3D, which I assure you is what partner is bidding

I can see trying to slow the opps down from getting to 4H if they belong there, but i can't imagine doing it expecting to head to game or...slam?

How about passing 3D? I don't understand any of the apparently many points you are trying to make. What's wrong with playing 3♦ with an 8+card fit and two unbalanced hand? Why can you guarantee that partner is going to bid 3♦?
(I would also suggest that we do expect partner not to have 4432 shape, given that LHO bid 2♣ and we have 6 clubs.)

[Fluffy]

I made a instinctive quick pass when RHO bid 2♣, wich happens whenever RHO bids my suit. I regret it 4-5 seconds later but was too late.

LHO bid 2♥ as expected, but it was passed to me back

Stuck with no bid, I tried a stupid double to show my penalty double hand then wich got a lucky +300 instead of the deserved -570, partner having ♠Axxx ♥xxxx ♦AK10xx ♣-

[Phil]

Would love to defend 2♣ x'd. That isn't going to happen.

We might as well raise diamonds now via 3♣. I don't know if LHO is going to bid hearts or make a responsive double, but we can worry about that later.

[rduran1216]

so 2H comes back to me and I dbl, expecting to beat it if partner has 4.

If partner reopens im sitting, if he bids 2D or something ill raise to 3D.

playing 3D is fine, but in the event we can play 2C x'd is more finer. haha.

[JLOGIC]

Wow, doubling 2H is just awful. It doesn't just show a trap pass, it shows some defense against hearts. Doing it with a stiff is suicidal, and on top of that you have 4 card support for partner and an easy 3D bid which you expect to make.

[rduran1216]

JLOGIC, on 2011-January-10, 20:44, said:

Wow, doubling 2H is just awful. It doesn't just show a trap pass, it shows some defense against hearts. Doing it with a stiff is suicidal, and on top of that you have 4 card support for partner and an easy 3D bid which you expect to make.

don't we have a spade trick, a club trick, and more than just the KJxxx we'd have sat with over a reopening dbl?

[whereagles]

rduran1216, on 2011-January-10, 17:23, said:

I think expecting game here is bonkers. Are we expecting partner to not have a 4432 or 4441 or 3451 or 4450 12 count?

I was curious about your claim and ran a sim out on 1000 hands and got this: (0-1 scale, with 1 = 100%)

0.075 pard has 4432
0.134 pard has 4342 or 3442
0.194 pard has 3451 or 4351
0.244 pard has 4441
0.099 pard has 4450
0.147 pard has 6 diamonds
13.159 pard average hcp

Since the actual hand shows us 11 hcp and a 4450 are enough for 10 tricks on any lead and 11 without a trump lead, I would say you're being VERY pessimistic in claiming we don't have a game here.

Sure, aroun 8% of the time pard will have the dreaded 4432 shape, but that's just about the only bad thing that can happen.

[gwnn]

whereagles that seems unlikely, partner must have short clubs more often than that, how did you take into account RHO's interference? what hands can he overcall on?

[JLOGIC]

8 %? lol

[whereagles]

Yeah I also thought 8% was too much, but that's what the simulation yield. Here's the code:

produce 1000
dealer south
predeal north SK2, H2, DQ432, CA98732

ab1d = hcp(south)>10 and hcp(south)<21 and spades(south)<5 and hearts(south)<5
       and diamonds(south)>2
int  = hcp(west)>6 and clubs(west)>4 and hcp(west, clubs)>4 and 
       spades(west)<5 and hearts(west)<5

condition ab1d and int

action
average(shape(south, 4432)),
average(shape(south, xx42)),
average(shape(south, xx51)),
average(shape(south, 4441)),
average(shape(south, 4450)),
average(shape(south, xx6x)),
average(hcp(south))

[nige1]

whereagles, on 2011-January-11, 05:17, said:

Yeah I also thought 8% was too much, but that's what the simulation yield. Here's the code:

produce 1000
dealer south
predeal north SK2, H2, DQ432, CA98732

ab1d = hcp(south)>10 and hcp(south)<21 and spades(south)<5 and hearts(south)<5
   	and diamonds(south)>2
int  = hcp(west)>6 and clubs(west)>4 and hcp(west, clubs)>4 and 
   	spades(west)<5 and hearts(west)<5

condition ab1d and int

action
average(shape(south, 4432)),
average(shape(south, xx42)),
average(shape(south, xx51)),
average(shape(south, 4441)),
average(shape(south, 4450)),
average(shape(south, xx6x)),
average(hcp(south))

Wow! what a clever program! Is it free ?
Should you also specify:
diamonds (south) >= clubs (south)
and
not (clubs(south) = 3 and (diamonds (south) = 3)
or something like that