[whereagles]

IMP pairs opposite a good team and pard

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Dbl = intending to pull pard's 2♣ into 2♦. Pard will understand that action.

You have no clue what 2♠ is, except that RHO opens 5 card majors.

So what do you bid? And sorry for any headache trying to figure out what's going on

[manudude03]

3♣, please tell me what you meant partner . More seriously though, I think it's a good raise with spade values and bid 3♥.

[gnasher]

I think it's to play, eg a 6214 shape. I'm struggling to picture a hand that would bid only 2♣ but then would want to raise diamonds; I can't imagine needing two ways to show a raise.

[Free]

I'd just pass, partner has ♠s. I've seen one before where I had LHO's suit and partner had support, we ended up in our only 5-3 fit and we knew how trumps split.

[Phil]

Sounds natural to me.

[gwnn]

I bet it's not natural and partner meant it as a raise.

I don't know what is smartest.

[Fluffy]

The bidding suggests natural, but the bidding doesn't should we stick to our cards or to the bidding?, I will believe my cards and bid 3♦

[Poky]

Partner cuebids spades to show some 11-13 hcp with 3334, or something like that, say:
Kxx
Qxx
AKx
Txxx

It is impossible 2♠ is natural because:
a) Nobody likes to bid misfits
b) Spades cannot be 0-6-5-3 (14 cards)

[gnasher]

Poky, on 2011-March-15, 02:49, said:

Partner cuebids spades to show some 11-13 hcp with 3334, or something like that, say:
Kxx
Qxx
AKx
Txxx

If that's a 2♠ bid, what would a 3♦ or 2NT bid look like?

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It is impossible 2♠ is natural because:
a) Nobody likes to bid misfits

Partner doesn't have any choice about being in the auction - we're already committed to declaring the hand in something.

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b) Spades cannot be 0-6-5-3 (14 cards)

Partner can be 5215, eg QJ109x xx x Qxxxx. What should he do with that hand?

[whereagles]

Allright, thanks all. Here're the hands:

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As you can see, pard meant 2♠ as a cue for diamonds. Unless you have a specific agreement that one never, ever plays in a 5-card suit by opponents (a psyche-vulnerable agreement) I think a case can be made for interpreting the bid either way: cue or nat.

For the record I passed, on grounds that we can hardly have a game here and that pard had 2NT/3♦ available to show more or less the hand he had, so there was no need to cue. Also, if 2♠ is passed out, it won't too big a disaster (if dbled, pard will pull if he hasn't got spades), whereas if I bid some nr. of NT and get dbled, it can be a bloodbath lol.

Pard wasn't too pleased about my pass, but it serves him right Not only he should stay away from nebulous bids, but also I remeber he once bid 2♠ on a similar situation and at that time he did have spades (and I guessed it correctly too!!)

As the cards lie, 3NT might make with a lot of guesswork and an endplay. At the other table it was easier: our mates blew a trick so it made easy.. oops.

[gwnn]

your partner should pass.

[whereagles]

No sh!t?

He's a chronic overbidder and incurable optimist. Oh well.. I guess we all have what we deserve, ha!

[gwnn]

If he doesn't feel like passing now, he should have doubled the first round

[Free]

I'm glad to see that if I'd ever play with whereagles, he'll understand it when I bid opps suit naturally.

[Poky]

gnasher, on 2011-March-15, 03:38, said:

If that's a 2♠ bid, what would a 3♦ or 2NT bid look like?

3♦ is a simple LOTT raise with 4 diamonds.
2NT should have both black stoppers and doesn't promise 3♦ necessarily.

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Partner can be 5215, eg QJ109x xx x Qxxxx. What should he do with that hand?

Pass. Everything is OK with this hand until the double is not around.
(Btw, with 5215 partner could have doubled 2♣ in anticipation, to avoid my 2♦ rebid.)

[barryallen]

I am at a loss as to why 2♠ would be natural? If you believe 2♦ is going to have problems, why not wait for the X? It's not impossible the opposition will get to 2♠ in a 5-2 fit?

2♠ for me would be forward moving, showing 4♥ and ♦ support in this instance.

[gnasher]

barryallen, on 2011-March-21, 12:45, said:

2♠ for me would be forward moving, showing 4♥ and ♦ support in this instance.

Why didn't you bid 2♥ on the previous round?

[mfa1010]

With two available cuebids, the standard style is to bid values. So 2♠ is a forwardgoing move with spade values and diamond support, but probably just a bunch of small ones in clubs. With this dog I would quickly retreat to 3♦. I don't like my bidding so far btw.