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#1 User is offline   whereagles 

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Posted 2011-March-14, 05:17

IMP pairs opposite a good team and pard :)



Dbl = intending to pull pard's 2 into 2. Pard will understand that action.

You have no clue what 2 is, except that RHO opens 5 card majors.

So what do you bid? And sorry for any headache trying to figure out what's going on :D
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Posted 2011-March-14, 07:40

3, please tell me what you meant partner :P . More seriously though, I think it's a good raise with spade values and bid 3.
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Posted 2011-March-14, 08:21

I think it's to play, eg a 6214 shape. I'm struggling to picture a hand that would bid only 2 but then would want to raise diamonds; I can't imagine needing two ways to show a raise.
... that would still not be conclusive proof, before someone wants to explain that to me as well as if I was a 5 year-old. - gwnn
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Posted 2011-March-14, 09:02

I'd just pass, partner has s. I've seen one before where I had LHO's suit and partner had support, we ended up in our only 5-3 fit and we knew how trumps split. :D
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Posted 2011-March-14, 09:06

Sounds natural to me.
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Posted 2011-March-14, 09:29

I bet it's not natural and partner meant it as a raise.

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Posted 2011-March-14, 11:13

The bidding suggests natural, but the bidding doesn't should we stick to our cards or to the bidding?, I will believe my cards and bid 3
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Posted 2011-March-15, 02:49

Partner cuebids spades to show some 11-13 hcp with 3334, or something like that, say:
Kxx
Qxx
AKx
Txxx

It is impossible 2 is natural because:
a) Nobody likes to bid misfits
b) Spades cannot be 0-6-5-3 (14 cards)
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Posted 2011-March-15, 03:38

View PostPoky, on 2011-March-15, 02:49, said:

Partner cuebids spades to show some 11-13 hcp with 3334, or something like that, say:
Kxx
Qxx
AKx
Txxx

If that's a 2 bid, what would a 3 or 2NT bid look like?

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It is impossible 2 is natural because:
a) Nobody likes to bid misfits

Partner doesn't have any choice about being in the auction - we're already committed to declaring the hand in something.

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b) Spades cannot be 0-6-5-3 (14 cards)

Partner can be 5215, eg QJ109x xx x Qxxxx. What should he do with that hand?
... that would still not be conclusive proof, before someone wants to explain that to me as well as if I was a 5 year-old. - gwnn
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Posted 2011-March-15, 06:00

Allright, thanks all. Here're the hands:


As you can see, pard meant 2 as a cue for diamonds. Unless you have a specific agreement that one never, ever plays in a 5-card suit by opponents (a psyche-vulnerable agreement) I think a case can be made for interpreting the bid either way: cue or nat.

For the record I passed, on grounds that we can hardly have a game here and that pard had 2NT/3 available to show more or less the hand he had, so there was no need to cue. Also, if 2 is passed out, it won't too big a disaster (if dbled, pard will pull if he hasn't got spades), whereas if I bid some nr. of NT and get dbled, it can be a bloodbath lol.

Pard wasn't too pleased about my pass, but it serves him right :D Not only he should stay away from nebulous bids, but also I remeber he once bid 2 on a similar situation and at that time he did have spades (and I guessed it correctly too!!) ;)

As the cards lie, 3NT might make with a lot of guesswork and an endplay. At the other table it was easier: our mates blew a trick so it made easy.. oops.
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Posted 2011-March-15, 06:04

your partner should pass.
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Posted 2011-March-15, 06:05

No sh!t? B-)

He's a chronic overbidder and incurable optimist. Oh well.. I guess we all have what we deserve, ha!
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Posted 2011-March-15, 06:12

If he doesn't feel like passing now, he should have doubled the first round :P
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Posted 2011-March-15, 06:49

I'm glad to see that if I'd ever play with whereagles, he'll understand it when I bid opps suit naturally. B-)
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Posted 2011-March-15, 07:02

View Postgnasher, on 2011-March-15, 03:38, said:

If that's a 2 bid, what would a 3 or 2NT bid look like?

3 is a simple LOTT raise with 4 diamonds.
2NT should have both black stoppers and doesn't promise 3 necessarily.

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Partner can be 5215, eg QJ109x xx x Qxxxx. What should he do with that hand?

Pass. Everything is OK with this hand until the double is not around.
(Btw, with 5215 partner could have doubled 2 in anticipation, to avoid my 2 rebid.)
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Posted 2011-March-21, 12:45

I am at a loss as to why 2 would be natural? If you believe 2 is going to have problems, why not wait for the X? It's not impossible the opposition will get to 2 in a 5-2 fit?

2 for me would be forward moving, showing 4 and support in this instance.
bridge is never always a game of exact, for those times it's all about percentages, partner and the opponents.
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Posted 2011-March-21, 13:19

View Postbarryallen, on 2011-March-21, 12:45, said:

2 for me would be forward moving, showing 4 and support in this instance.


Why didn't you bid 2 on the previous round?
... that would still not be conclusive proof, before someone wants to explain that to me as well as if I was a 5 year-old. - gwnn
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Posted 2011-March-22, 13:11

With two available cuebids, the standard style is to bid values. So 2 is a forwardgoing move with spade values and diamond support, but probably just a bunch of small ones in clubs. With this dog I would quickly retreat to 3. I don't like my bidding so far btw.
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