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Poll: Declare or Defend? (16 member(s) have cast votes)

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  1. Declare! (13 votes [81.25%])

    Percentage of vote: 81.25%

  2. Defend! (3 votes [18.75%])

    Percentage of vote: 18.75%

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#1 User is offline   cherdano 

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Posted 2011-April-12, 15:38


The contract is 3NT by South.
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Posted 2011-April-12, 15:45

Declare? Looks like a real life hand btw.
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Posted 2011-April-12, 16:22

.edited.

i might have had my mind changed.
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Posted 2011-April-12, 18:35

Do we get to defend/declare double dummy?

Declaring, on a spade lead, can duck the first spade and discard a diamond on the second, discard another diamond on the ace of spades, then run the diamonds and ♥A for 9th trick. And if defense don't attack spades then I don't see where they are going to get any tricks from. If they start with a non-spade, win in dummy and cash one diamond or play a diamond to dummy, take spade finesse and discard any remaining diamonds in dummy, and take nine tricks as before.

edit.
They can just exit a diamond, and they haven't given up a trick in clubs or hearts so I think we are beaten. We have to duck the 1st spade otherwise diamonds stay blocked. I change my vote to Defense.

edit once more.
Since they can exit passively after winning the ten of spades and beat us, say we take it. Then play 2 diamonds and the jack of clubs. If West takes it and plays say a heart, we duck his queen. He can't play a spade cause the diamonds are running now, so he plays a heart, we win and play a club through the king, East has to take it or else we run lots of tricks. He's run out of hearts and anything he plays lets us run lots of tricks! So, say instead of West winning the jack of clubs, East wins it. Say he plays a heart. We duck the queen. West has to play another (spade gets us to hand) and we take it. We drop the ace of clubs. Win the next heart. Come back to hand with the queen of clubs and run plenty of tricks :-)
So maybe I change my vote back to Declare.
(Unless I have accidentally missed letting the defense take five tricks at some point)
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Posted 2011-April-12, 21:00

quantumcat said:

Since they can exit passively after winning the ten of spades and beat us, say we take it. Then play 2 diamonds and the jack of clubs. If West takes it and plays say a heart, we duck his queen. He can't play a spade cause the diamonds are running now, so he plays a heart, we win and play a club through the king, East has to take it or else we run lots of tricks. He's run out of hearts and anything he plays lets us run lots of tricks! So, say instead of West winning the jack of clubs, East wins it. Say he plays a heart. We duck the queen. West has to play another (spade gets us to hand) and we take it. We drop the ace of clubs. Win the next heart. Come back to hand with the queen of clubs and run plenty of tricks :-)
So maybe I change my vote back to Declare.
(Unless I have accidentally missed letting the defense take five tricks at some point)


Heh. not that i have this figured out, or anything, but I think it is a mistake for either defender to win the first club trick (CJ), as that sets up the club queen as an entry with sufficient stoppers in H. If one of the opps does win the first club, i think it is a mistake for declarer to duck a heart. defenders can then switch back to spades -- declarer will get their two spades and six diamonds, but on the run of the diamonds EW pitch their heart losers, keeping spades and a master club.

Once both EW duck a club, you exit a club to W's ACE and i *think* you can force them to win the fourth round of hearts, after only losing two, at which point they have to lead a spade to S.
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Posted 2011-April-12, 22:05

Spoiler

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Posted 2011-April-13, 06:54

I can see two ways to make it: y66's line, or this one:

Win the spade, cash ♦AK, cash ♣J, play a club to West, duck the heart return, win the next heart, exit with ♣8 (retaining the 2 or 3, in case East unblocked).
... that would still not be conclusive proof, before someone wants to explain that to me as well as if I was a 5 year-old. - gwnn
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Posted 2011-April-13, 09:01

By the way, west can avoid the endplay with some pyrotechnical unblocking in hearts, but in that case you are winning ♠A + five hearts + 2♦ + the club they must let you win.
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Posted 2011-April-13, 11:59

This is from the (otherwise nice) book "Bridge - 80 classic problems" by Erwin Brecher & Danny Roth that I somehow picked up in a book store recently. They mistakenly claim that the contract cannot be made after a spade lead to the king.
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Posted 2011-April-13, 14:15

This hand reminds me of this hand I posted a while back: http://www.bridgebas.../26693-3c-hand/
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Posted 2011-April-13, 14:37

errr...

syntax error.

abort? retry? fail?
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Posted 2011-April-13, 15:08

 matmat, on 2011-April-13, 14:37, said:

errr...

syntax error.

abort? retry? fail?



Wrong thread error. Please try again in 20 years.
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