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RHO opens 1♦, pick your poison!
1NT would be 15 - 18 balanced + stopper.
MP unfav your bid RHO opens 1[DI], now what?
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Posted 2004-October-10, 08:10
RHO opens 1♦, pick your poison!
1NT would be 15 - 18 balanced + stopper.
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Posted 2004-October-10, 08:17
easy 1♥ imo, pass is an alternative in this vulnerability...
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Posted 2004-October-10, 08:51
i passed... i'd like to see where this goes... change the ♥J to the Q or K and i'd overcall
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Posted 2004-October-10, 08:55
PASS
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foole me once, shame one you!!
foole me twice, shame on me....!!
foole me twice, shame on me....!!
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Posted 2004-October-10, 09:00
1♥ (new shorter answers)
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Posted 2004-October-10, 09:34
inquiry, on Oct 10 2004, 05:00 PM, said:
1♥ (new shorter answers)
hehe
just remember, i asked for no short answers... so if the occasion arises ......
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Posted 2004-October-10, 09:39
1H for me too.
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Posted 2004-October-10, 13:07
Pass, althou 1♥ is close.
I prefer to be unbalanced (normally having 5 cards on the opponet´s suit) when overcalling 4 card majors.
I prefer to be unbalanced (normally having 5 cards on the opponet´s suit) when overcalling 4 card majors.
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Posted 2004-October-10, 14:41
1♥. I'm surprised so far at the # of votes for pass.
If you pass, you can't be happy if it continues 1♠ - pass - 2♠, or even 1N - pass - pass.
If you pass, you can't be happy if it continues 1♠ - pass - 2♠, or even 1N - pass - pass.
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Posted 2004-October-10, 14:54
pclayton, on Oct 10 2004, 03:41 PM, said:
1♥. I'm surprised so far at the # of votes for pass.
If you pass, you can't be happy if it continues 1♠ - pass - 2♠, or even 1N - pass - pass.
If you pass, you can't be happy if it continues 1♠ - pass - 2♠, or even 1N - pass - pass.
Pass is the normal bid. this is the bid i would teach my student to bid, but i believe 1H is better one, and maybe in advance course i would teach that, but im definetly not surprise by the voting, even more then that im pretty sure that had good and known players like Ben and Free didnt give their opining of 1H, the results were even stronger from passing.
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Posted 2004-October-10, 14:56
If it goes
(1D) pass (1S) pass
(2S) pass pass ..??
pard will have spade and diam shortage, so he might double. Trouble is he may not wish to go to the three-level, particularly since he probably won't have many points (you have a good hand). Therefore an immediate 1H bid might be better.
(1D) pass (1S) pass
(2S) pass pass ..??
pard will have spade and diam shortage, so he might double. Trouble is he may not wish to go to the three-level, particularly since he probably won't have many points (you have a good hand). Therefore an immediate 1H bid might be better.
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Posted 2004-October-10, 15:42
whereagles, on Oct 10 2004, 12:56 PM, said:
If it goes
(1D) pass (1S) pass
(2S) pass pass ..??
pard will have spade and diam shortage, so he might double. Trouble is he may not wish to go to the three-level, particularly since he probably won't have many points (you have a good hand). Therefore an immediate 1H bid might be better.
(1D) pass (1S) pass
(2S) pass pass ..??
pard will have spade and diam shortage, so he might double. Trouble is he may not wish to go to the three-level, particularly since he probably won't have many points (you have a good hand). Therefore an immediate 1H bid might be better.
You are putting a lot of pressure on pard to balance with his doubleton spade and (roughly) 6 count. It can't be right to pass this prime 14 count at the one level and put pard under the gun like that at the 3 level, especially at MP's.
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Posted 2004-October-10, 15:50
Precisely. That's why I prefer to bid 1H 
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Posted 2004-October-10, 16:30
ok, so it goes
(1d) 1h (1s or x) 2h now do you think opener is going to support spades? yes if his pard bid 1s, and even maybe yes if he doubled instead... say he does bid 2s here... now what? pard, according to what i've read, has a 6 count... should he bid 3h, thinking i have 5? should he double? pass?
we're going on the assumption that responder bids spades, and that opener supports spades... if this is true, it will most likely be true whether or not i overcall 1h...
the only advantage i see to 1h is as a possible lead directing bid... however, i'm not certain it's the best lead... against 2s, a trump might be best... just a thought
(1d) 1h (1s or x) 2h now do you think opener is going to support spades? yes if his pard bid 1s, and even maybe yes if he doubled instead... say he does bid 2s here... now what? pard, according to what i've read, has a 6 count... should he bid 3h, thinking i have 5? should he double? pass?
we're going on the assumption that responder bids spades, and that opener supports spades... if this is true, it will most likely be true whether or not i overcall 1h...
the only advantage i see to 1h is as a possible lead directing bid... however, i'm not certain it's the best lead... against 2s, a trump might be best... just a thought
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Posted 2004-October-10, 16:47
It's MP's, and I want to keep them out of an easy 3NT if they have that... Lead directing overcall helps a lot. I'm also ready to play in a moysian (I like them a lot), so why not overcall your best suit and see where it gets opps?
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Posted 2004-October-10, 21:19
luke warm, on Oct 10 2004, 02:30 PM, said:
ok, so it goes
(1d) 1h (1s or x) 2h now do you think opener is going to support spades? yes if his pard bid 1s, and even maybe yes if he doubled instead... say he does bid 2s here... now what? pard, according to what i've read, has a 6 count... should he bid 3h, thinking i have 5? should he double? pass?
we're going on the assumption that responder bids spades, and that opener supports spades... if this is true, it will most likely be true whether or not i overcall 1h...
the only advantage i see to 1h is as a possible lead directing bid... however, i'm not certain it's the best lead... against 2s, a trump might be best... just a thought
(1d) 1h (1s or x) 2h now do you think opener is going to support spades? yes if his pard bid 1s, and even maybe yes if he doubled instead... say he does bid 2s here... now what? pard, according to what i've read, has a 6 count... should he bid 3h, thinking i have 5? should he double? pass?
we're going on the assumption that responder bids spades, and that opener supports spades... if this is true, it will most likely be true whether or not i overcall 1h...
the only advantage i see to 1h is as a possible lead directing bid... however, i'm not certain it's the best lead... against 2s, a trump might be best... just a thought
Well, fine.
Over 2♠, in my finely-tuned partnership
(using Rubens / Robson stuff); I will know if partner has: 1. A weak 3 card raise. (I'll pass and hope to beat it with a heart out, or at least get a better score than those that didn't overcall)
2. A strong 3 card raise (I'll double to tell pard its our hand. He'll pull with a stiff spade usually).
3. A really strong 3 card raise (I'm sawing off 2♠ and expecting to get rich)
4. Clubs (not sure what I'll do over 2♠)
All hands with 4 card support make THEM decide at the 3 level; either 3♥ (weakish - I'll play 3♥ or expect to beat 3♠) or 2N (mixed - I'm doubling 3♠) or 3♦ (limit - probably bidding game I guess, not sure).
How can we be worse off if we didn't overcall 1♥?
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Posted 2004-October-10, 21:37
luke warm, on Oct 11 2004, 08:30 AM, said:
ok, so it goes
(1d) 1h (1s or x) 2h now do you think opener is going to support spades? yes if his pard bid 1s, and even maybe yes if he doubled instead... say he does bid 2s here... now what? pard, according to what i've read, has a 6 count... should he bid 3h, thinking i have 5? should he double? pass?
we're going on the assumption that responder bids spades, and that opener supports spades... if this is true, it will most likely be true whether or not i overcall 1h...
the only advantage i see to 1h is as a possible lead directing bid... however, i'm not certain it's the best lead... against 2s, a trump might be best... just a thought
(1d) 1h (1s or x) 2h now do you think opener is going to support spades? yes if his pard bid 1s, and even maybe yes if he doubled instead... say he does bid 2s here... now what? pard, according to what i've read, has a 6 count... should he bid 3h, thinking i have 5? should he double? pass?
we're going on the assumption that responder bids spades, and that opener supports spades... if this is true, it will most likely be true whether or not i overcall 1h...
the only advantage i see to 1h is as a possible lead directing bid... however, i'm not certain it's the best lead... against 2s, a trump might be best... just a thought
Jimmy, your partner should never bid 3H in these auctions if he raises to 2H first. He should always bid to the limit that he is prepared to bid to on the first round.
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Posted 2004-October-11, 03:02
Gerben47, on Oct 10 2004, 02:10 PM, said:
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RHO opens 1♦, pick your poison!
1NT would be 15 - 18 balanced + stopper.
easy 1H and the only choice in my humble opinion. If you always pass with this kind of hands, your partner needs to balance very aggressively and even if he balances aggressively, you still may not catch up and you may often suffer a huge penalty if you balance too aggressively. Basically, in my idea, one should never pass an offensive oriented opening hand when he has a simple overcall at one level.
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Posted 2004-October-11, 04:06
Close decision. Definitely not 1NT, so 1♥ or pass. I think I will go for 1♥ due to lead directing value.
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Posted 2004-October-11, 05:26
junyi_zhu, on Oct 11 2004, 09:02 AM, said:
Gerben47, on Oct 10 2004, 02:10 PM, said:
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RHO opens 1♦, pick your poison!
1NT would be 15 - 18 balanced + stopper.
easy 1H and the only choice in my humble opinion. If you always pass with this kind of hands, your partner needs to balance very aggressively and even if he balances aggressively, you still may not catch up and you may often suffer a huge penalty if you balance too aggressively. Basically, in my idea, one should never pass an offensive oriented opening hand when he has a simple overcall at one level.
Is this an offensively oriented hand?
It looks like a 8-loser balanced hand with some strength in RHO's suit.
If partner is always going to raise to 2♥ on xxx, and to 3♥ on xxxx, then I am not sure I want to bid this one immediately.
Eric