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Posted 2011-August-01, 15:57

View Postgordontd, on 2011-August-01, 12:54, said:

The point is that a card placed in the played position by dummy is not a played card if declarer did not name or otherwise designate it.

Law 45D is about card misplayed by Dummy placing a card in the played position, not about Dummy playing a card.

So there is no use discussing if Dummy actually played a card, the important fact is that he placed a card in the played position.
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Posted 2011-August-01, 16:45

View Postpran, on 2011-August-01, 15:57, said:

Law 45D is about card misplayed by Dummy placing a card in the played position, not about Dummy playing a card.

So there is no use discussing if Dummy actually played a card, the important fact is that he placed a card in the played position.

And yet you have claimed above that the card has been played.
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Posted 2011-August-02, 00:27

View Postgordontd, on 2011-August-01, 16:45, said:

View Postpran, on 2011-August-01, 15:57, said:

Law 45D is about card misplayed by Dummy placing a card in the played position, not about Dummy playing a card.

So there is no use discussing if Dummy actually played a card, the important fact is that he placed a card in the played position.


And yet you have claimed above that the card has been played.

So the fact that I consider "play" to be a term encompassing "lead", "follow suit", "legal play", "illegal play" etc. is significant in a discussion on whether or not Law 45D applies in the situation described in OP?

Definitions said:

Play — 1. The contribution of a card from one’s hand to a trick, including the first card, which is the lead. 2. The aggregate of plays made. 3. The period during which the cards are played. 4. The aggregate of the calls and plays on a board.

Law 45 Heading said:

D. Card Misplayed by Dummy


OK. So I should have been more careful and all the time used the word "misplayed" instead of "played". Does that satisfy you?
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