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Another case of responding to preempt
#2
Posted 2011-August-10, 20:53
7H for me playing pard for a doubleton spade and 8 hearts to the king. I suppose he could have 8 hearts to the QJT so maybe I should bid 4N there. Too late now.
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#5
Posted 2011-August-11, 06:05
I'll try 4NT. I'm not ready to give up on 7 yet. Getting into grand opposite xxx KQxxxxx Kx x while avoiding it with xx KQxxxxx Kx xx would be interesting though. If partner shows ♥KQ and ♣K I'll bid 7.
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#6
Posted 2011-August-11, 07:57
4C modified RKC for me.
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#7
Posted 2011-August-11, 16:51
jh51, on 2011-August-10, 20:59, said:
Sorry, I entered the bidding wrong. It's been corrected now. Does that change your answer?
Over 3H, my first instinct is to bid 4C = cheaper minor showing slam interest and asks pard to describe his hand.
Maybe I should just bid 6H since he will rebid 4H with xxx KJTxxxx xx x or xxxx QJTxxxx x x.
6H
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#8
Posted 2011-August-12, 09:53
For the record, at the table I bid 6♥.
For those of you who bid some form of RKC, partner shows 1 or 4. (Obviously 1). What now?
For those of you who bid some form of RKC, partner shows 1 or 4. (Obviously 1). What now?
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#9
Posted 2011-August-12, 10:10
We can't reliably bid 7♥ opposite the ♥KQxxxxx + the ♦K. If I knew partner had three spades, or a stiff club, or the ♦Q, or an 8th heart, I'd try it.
Trying.....
3♥ - 4♣*
4♠** - 4N***
5♦ - ?
4♣ - Baby RKC
4♠ - One key + trump Q
4N - 2nd round controls
Now what?
Trying.....
3♥ - 4♣*
4♠** - 4N***
5♦ - ?
4♣ - Baby RKC
4♠ - One key + trump Q
4N - 2nd round controls
Now what?
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#10
Posted 2011-August-12, 10:48
Just bid 6♥. There's no way to find out whether pard has
Qxx
KQJxxxx
x
xx
or
xx
KQJxxxx
Kxx
x
Qxx
KQJxxxx
x
xx
or
xx
KQJxxxx
Kxx
x
#12
Posted 2011-August-12, 17:56
hmm.. ruffing spades might not be enough. Assuming pard will have KQ (reasonable), to make 7 you need pard to have either
- a 3 card residue in the minors with the diamond king OR
- any minor residue with the club king and a club guess
no way you're ever going to find this, even if the system allows for digging up the DK (already far from trivial). It's a guess and in a weak field there's no need to guess 7. That's for a strong field and in need of a top.
- a 3 card residue in the minors with the diamond king OR
- any minor residue with the club king and a club guess
no way you're ever going to find this, even if the system allows for digging up the DK (already far from trivial). It's a guess and in a weak field there's no need to guess 7. That's for a strong field and in need of a top.
#13
Posted 2011-August-13, 02:26
I can bid 3♠ as relay, opener will show his shortness. That's a lot more useful in this situation where you need partner to have ♣ shortage (or ♣K which can be showed later).
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#14
Posted 2011-August-13, 06:19
Phil, on 2011-August-12, 10:10, said:
We can't reliably bid 7♥ opposite the ♥KQxxxxx + the ♦K. If I knew partner had three spades, or a stiff club, or the ♦Q, or an 8th heart, I'd try it.
Trying.....
3♥ - 4♣*
4♠** - 4N***
5♦ - ?
4♣ - Baby RKC
4♠ - One key + trump Q
4N - 2nd round controls
Now what?
Trying.....
3♥ - 4♣*
4♠** - 4N***
5♦ - ?
4♣ - Baby RKC
4♠ - One key + trump Q
4N - 2nd round controls
Now what?
I agree, but we should still try for grand in case partner can bid it with the KQ of diamonds, or an eigth heart, or whatever. I'm sure we have enough room to be able to solve this problem, but it doesn't seem worth it for the small gains.
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