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What is four diamonds?

Poll: What is four diamonds? (25 member(s) have cast votes)

What is four diamonds?

  1. Splinter with club support (14 votes [56.00%])

    Percentage of vote: 56.00%

  2. Self-splinter with good heart suit, minimum values (4 votes [16.00%])

    Percentage of vote: 16.00%

  3. Advanced cue-bid with support for a black suit (2 votes [8.00%])

    Percentage of vote: 8.00%

  4. A diamond suit (2 votes [8.00%])

    Percentage of vote: 8.00%

  5. Something else? Explain in reply (3 votes [12.00%])

    Percentage of vote: 12.00%

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Posted 2004-October-07, 19:00

ben, with S-Jx H=AQJT9xx D-x C-Qxx i don't think i'd bid 4C over 3D... i'd go to responder's first suit or, more likely, bid 3H showing 7
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Posted 2004-October-07, 20:45

luke warm, on Oct 7 2004, 09:00 PM, said:

ben, with S-Jx H=AQJT9xx D-x C-Qxx i don't think i'd bid 4C over 3D... i'd go to responder's first suit or, more likely, bid 3H showing 7

I meant I don't think having four clubs (ie club support) is necessary for the 4D bid.. .not that I owuld bid 4Clubs.. sorry for the confusion.
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Posted 2004-October-09, 13:08

inquiry, on Oct 7 2004, 01:30 AM, said:

Bidding goes..

1H - 1S
2H - 3C
4D

Where 1S showed some spades, 2H was non-forcing, 3C was new minor forcing, presumably a club suit.

What does 4D show?

It's a splinter, the only problem is in which suit,
FIrst, it can't be C, because 3C is just forcing one round and you may belong to 3NT sometimes. Also, you have bypassed 2C which usually denies very strong club suit. Can it be spades? Yes, you may hold 3 spades, however, your partner may only hold 4 spades and have some extra with heart support, if you bid 4D
to support spades, your partner have a hard time to RKC in hearts, so it can't be spade either. So the only logical explanation of 4D is that it sets up heart as trumps and shortness in diamonds. something like this is possible:
Sxx HAKQxxxx Dx CQxx. So partner now can find 6H with:
SAKxxx Hx Dxxx CAKxx and stay at 4H with: SAKxxx Hx DAKx Cxxxx. It's easy, isn't it?
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Posted 2004-October-09, 15:13

junyi_zhu, on Oct 9 2004, 03:08 PM, said:

So the only logical explanation of 4D is that it sets up heart as trumps and shortness in diamonds. something like this is possible:
Sxx HAKQxxxx Dx CQxx. So partner now can find 6H with:
SAKxxx Hx Dxxx CAKxx and stay at 4H with: SAKxxx Hx DAKx Cxxxx. It's easy, isn't it?

Yes, I think so. Excellent, logical explaination. It is the only thing that makes bridge sense to me.
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