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3rd seat, local club game. You hold:
void, AKQT9876, AKJ3, A
What do you bid?
(my friend got a top when his opponent opened 4♥...it's not a good club....)
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Posted 2011-October-31, 05:46
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Posted 2011-October-31, 06:27
Did it make?
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Posted 2011-October-31, 07:10
ArtK78, on 2011-October-31, 06:27, said:
Did it make?
LOL! Yes, it did.
My friend has since corrected me. The hand was actually:
void, AKQT986, AKJ3, AK
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Posted 2011-October-31, 07:20
Someone will tell us the standard way of asking for the diamond queen.
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Posted 2011-October-31, 07:59
aguahombre, on 2011-October-31, 07:20, said:
Someone will tell us the standard way of asking for the diamond queen.
2♣-2♦
3♥-something
5♠-something
6♦
or, if you play 3♥ as artificial
2♣-2♦
2♥-something
3♥-something
5♠-something
6♦
Obviously the second sequence will only work if 5♠ is Exclusion for hearts, which depends on the values of "something".
... that would still not be conclusive proof, before someone wants to explain that to me as well as if I was a 5 year-old. - gwnn
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Posted 2011-October-31, 08:54
gnasher, on 2011-October-31, 07:59, said:
2♣-2♦
3♥-something
5♠-something
6♦
or, if you play 3♥ as artificial
2♣-2♦
2♥-something
3♥-something
5♠-something
6♦
Obviously the second sequence will only work if 5♠ is Exclusion for hearts, which depends on the values of "something".
3♥-something
5♠-something
6♦
or, if you play 3♥ as artificial
2♣-2♦
2♥-something
3♥-something
5♠-something
6♦
Obviously the second sequence will only work if 5♠ is Exclusion for hearts, which depends on the values of "something".
When ♥ are trump and ♠ are out of the picture, 4S! = RKC and 4NT! = Voidwood, excluding ♠ ( Meckwell ) .
If 5♠ is used as Exclusion, then Responder will reply 5NT or 6C (showing zero ) and 6D could be construed as a specific K-ask.
2C - 2D
3H - something
4NT! - something
6D! ( 3rd Rnd Ctrl-ask ... since have by-passed the K-ask -- thus, no confusion )
...... - ??
6H = no 3rd Rnd Ctrl in ♦
7H = x x doubleton ♦
6NT = ♦Q
7D = ♦Q J
7H = x x doubleton ♦
6NT = ♦Q
7D = ♦Q J
This also works here even if you don't play Meckwell Exclusion. You don't care if partner has the ♠A or not.
4NT ( regular RKC ) - 5C/5D
6D!
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Posted 2011-October-31, 09:43
A Canadian expert once had a very similar hand where his rho opened 1♣.
He overcalled 1♦ intending to bid 5nt next as a graded grand slam try to ask for the Queen. You could arrange to do that by opening 1♦ here too BUT.....
Our Canadian played it right there on the 4-1 fit, down 2 (down 1 on the corrected hand).
Probably safe to open 2 clubs and manage to key card on diamonds here.
He overcalled 1♦ intending to bid 5nt next as a graded grand slam try to ask for the Queen. You could arrange to do that by opening 1♦ here too BUT.....
Our Canadian played it right there on the 4-1 fit, down 2 (down 1 on the corrected hand).
Probably safe to open 2 clubs and manage to key card on diamonds here.
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Posted 2011-October-31, 11:55
I would open 1C and not be surprised when the bidding comes back to me at 4S...
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Posted 2011-October-31, 17:00
aguahombre, on 2011-October-31, 07:20, said:
Someone will tell us the standard way of asking for the diamond queen.
I still use very old Aces Scientific methods of Bobby Goldman on these type of hands and i like it
2♣--2♦
3♥--
then responder's
3♠=♠A
3NT= No ace but king or kings
4m=this ace
4♥=no ace and no king
4♠=same color 2 aces
4NT=same rank 2 aces
5♣=mixed 2 aces
Uusually u get 3NT or 4♥ response, over 4♥ you ask for the 3rd round control in any specific suit if u want to (since pd already denied A or K), responder can show a doubleton only if he has 2 or more trumps as 3rd round control.
Over 3 NT u may ask for the king(s) or 3rd round controls of your choice.
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Posted 2011-October-31, 21:18
Do you really think it's useful to have 3 bids showing 2 aces after opener opens a strong 2 and then jumps?
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Posted 2011-October-31, 23:28
wyman, on 2011-October-31, 21:18, said:
Do you really think it's useful to have 3 bids showing 2 aces after opener opens a strong 2 and then jumps?
It really is doubtful that the big hand will be missing three and need that information, but it is possible.....why not? Color, rank, and shape ---just like CRASH. Makes it fun.
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Posted 2011-November-01, 00:05
wyman, on 2011-October-31, 21:18, said:
Do you really think it's useful to have 3 bids showing 2 aces after opener opens a strong 2 and then jumps?
You can change those 2 aces responses if u want to.
It could be useful probably in a hand like AKQJTx KQx KQJT void, with correct aces u can bid grand, or with one non club ace u can bid slam. But i hear ya, u can use 1 bid for 2 aces and then opener can later learn if he wants to which ones. As long as u dont abuse the 2♣ opening and then jump in a suit, u will probably never get these replies anyway. And u dont really need too much space anyway if opening 2♣ and then jumping in suit was not abused.
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Posted 2011-November-01, 02:25
Opening 2♣ seems obvious. If I get a negative, I can ask for specific Queens. Otherwise, set ♥ and ask for a 3rd round control ♦ in a Blackwood auction.
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Posted 2011-November-01, 04:41
I would just open 6H... finding out about the diamond queen is day-dreaming.
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