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Posted 2012-April-22, 21:04
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Posted 2012-April-23, 01:00
What is the purpose of this post ?
Anyone who can click on GIB in your diagram can answer this question even if they are blind and cant find without GIB. I really didnt understand the purpose of a double dummy trick 2 move question.
Anyone who can click on GIB in your diagram can answer this question even if they are blind and cant find without GIB. I really didnt understand the purpose of a double dummy trick 2 move question.
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Posted 2012-April-23, 02:41
MrAce, on 2012-April-23, 01:00, said:
What is the purpose of this post ?
Clearly the post is merely that of an interesting hand rather than an actual challenge. Though I agree, it would have been nice to see it posed as a single-dummy problem.
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Posted 2012-April-23, 03:19
For what it is worth I think that 4S was an awful bid. I like the 4H bid from the other table much better.
Please note: I am interested in boring, bog standard, 2/1.
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Posted 2012-April-23, 03:55
Is everyone sure that 5♦ means this?
... that would still not be conclusive proof, before someone wants to explain that to me as well as if I was a 5 year-old. - gwnn
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Posted 2012-April-23, 05:49
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Posted 2012-April-23, 06:01
I imagine that Michael didn't want to bid 4NT because it would sound like a suggestion to play there. I think it should be.
So he has a choice between 5C and 5D, and I think that 5D really does show a 5-6 shape but perhaps it is forcing, or at least shows a much better hand? I'm curious what others think.
5C could be silly when partner has diamonds, 5D could be silly when partner has clubs or equal length. Hard to say which is more likely. However, if the opponents bid again you'd sure prefer to have bid 5D.
I don't know if we want to publically discuss all of yesterday's cardplay errors, somehow those seem more painful than the misbids. On the other hand, it is possible that we would learn something.
So he has a choice between 5C and 5D, and I think that 5D really does show a 5-6 shape but perhaps it is forcing, or at least shows a much better hand? I'm curious what others think.
5C could be silly when partner has diamonds, 5D could be silly when partner has clubs or equal length. Hard to say which is more likely. However, if the opponents bid again you'd sure prefer to have bid 5D.
I don't know if we want to publically discuss all of yesterday's cardplay errors, somehow those seem more painful than the misbids. On the other hand, it is possible that we would learn something.
Please note: I am interested in boring, bog standard, 2/1.
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Posted 2012-April-23, 06:19
han, on 2012-April-23, 06:01, said:
I don't know if we want to publically discuss all of yesterday's cardplay errors, somehow those seem more painful than the misbids. On the other hand, it is possible that we would learn something.
I certainly wouldn't mind if someone could give me an argument on a single dummy basis that a club continuation is correct on this hand.
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Posted 2012-April-23, 09:56
I wouldn't call this single dummy anymore, I think you know almost everything about the hand.
From the lead you know that Andy has 3 or 4 diamonds, so declarer is 6-4 in spades and diamonds, or perhaps 6-5. Given his play declarer probably doesn't have a void in hearts, so from Andy's count card in clubs you know that he has a singleton club (he can't have 3). So declarer's shape is either 6-1-5-1 or 6-2-4-1. 6-2-4-1 must be the most likely by far.
If so you know the hearts are running. You also know that declarer doesn't have the communication to ruff 2 diamonds in dummy if you continue with a club, and you can't prevent a single diamond ruff anyway.
From the lead you know that Andy has 3 or 4 diamonds, so declarer is 6-4 in spades and diamonds, or perhaps 6-5. Given his play declarer probably doesn't have a void in hearts, so from Andy's count card in clubs you know that he has a singleton club (he can't have 3). So declarer's shape is either 6-1-5-1 or 6-2-4-1. 6-2-4-1 must be the most likely by far.
If so you know the hearts are running. You also know that declarer doesn't have the communication to ruff 2 diamonds in dummy if you continue with a club, and you can't prevent a single diamond ruff anyway.
Please note: I am interested in boring, bog standard, 2/1.
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Posted 2012-April-23, 10:39
MrAce, on 2012-April-23, 01:00, said:
What is the purpose of this post ?
Anyone who can click on GIB in your diagram can answer this question even if they are blind and cant find without GIB. I really didnt understand the purpose of a double dummy trick 2 move question.
Anyone who can click on GIB in your diagram can answer this question even if they are blind and cant find without GIB. I really didnt understand the purpose of a double dummy trick 2 move question.
I posted this because I thought it was an interesting problem.
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Posted 2012-April-23, 18:08
looking at the dummy and remembering p bid 3n (they may or
may not have a spade trick). If they only have one leading
a spade is a sure way of making them lose it.
Declarer playing the club K off the board is almost assuredly
short in clubs and we know from the bidding they are short in
hearts (unless they are crazy). From there we can easly imagine
them having 4+ dia and the rest of their hand would not permit
them to run the dia to their dia suit because they know
they would lose the a and another trick even if we cant see it.
They cant know they are losing a heart so only a trump loser could
cause them a headache. Returning a low club will make transportation
almost impossible for them. They wont be able to ruff enough diamonds
and still be able to pull trumps. As long as we dont make it easy for
them the contract should fail on its own lack of ability.
may not have a spade trick). If they only have one leading
a spade is a sure way of making them lose it.
Declarer playing the club K off the board is almost assuredly
short in clubs and we know from the bidding they are short in
hearts (unless they are crazy). From there we can easly imagine
them having 4+ dia and the rest of their hand would not permit
them to run the dia to their dia suit because they know
they would lose the a and another trick even if we cant see it.
They cant know they are losing a heart so only a trump loser could
cause them a headache. Returning a low club will make transportation
almost impossible for them. They wont be able to ruff enough diamonds
and still be able to pull trumps. As long as we dont make it easy for
them the contract should fail on its own lack of ability.
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