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#1 User is offline   jules101 

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Posted 2012-April-28, 18:13



What are your options?

Double seems wrong - you expect partner will bid spades, and then what is 5♣? A forward going cue bid agreeing spades, or natural?

3/4♥ is just wrong!

4♦ would show both majors - generally 5-5 or better.

5♣ seems somewhat unilateral - may miss a heart fit.


So what's your choice? And why?
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Posted 2012-April-28, 19:57

I would X, planning to bid 5♣s over 4♠.
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Posted 2012-April-28, 20:27

I think I like 5♣…

 wyman, on 2012-May-04, 09:48, said:

Also, he rates to not have a heart void when he leads the ♥3.


 rbforster, on 2012-May-20, 21:04, said:

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Posted 2012-April-28, 20:27

:P Freaks are always hard to bid. If you bid 5♣, pard will know that you don't preempt a preempt, so he/she should raise to six with the king or maybe even the queen and another trick. This should give you a play. Otherwise, you have bid a likely level. There is a name for eight card suits - it's called TRUMPS.
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Posted 2012-April-28, 22:44

This time I wouldn't feel as good about jumping to 6♥ :rolleyes:
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Posted 2012-April-29, 02:04

I'd bid 6♣. I'll never be able to tell partner how much more valuable ♥K is than ♠K, so sooner or later I'll have to guess what level to play at. Bidding it straight away makes it harder for the opponents to decide whether to save.
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Posted 2012-April-29, 06:46

Yeah, I would just choose 5C or 6C. I prefer 6 but could be convinced 5 is better.
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Posted 2012-April-29, 07:46

contrary to the typical 7-4 or 8-4, this one is very suited to play in 4-4 or 4-5 fit, AJ10xxxx is good side suit to ruff in dummy, and ♠A offers an entry.

All of this makes double followed by 6♣ a decent alternative instead of just blasting. Followed by 6♣ because 5♣ over 4♠ IMO is not natural.
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Posted 2012-April-29, 07:53

You can't show this hand after RHO preempts. That is one reason why he preempted. 6C gets my vote too.
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Posted 2012-April-29, 10:17

We have a gadget for this - over 3C and 3D we use 4C to show a very strong single suited hand (stronger than a typical 4M/5m jump), so I would employ that gadget. Playing standard methods, I think I would just jump to 5C - If I bid 6, I worry that partner would hang me and put me in 7C with less than what it takes to make, like KQx of clubs and a holding in the rest of the hand that means hearts are unlikely to come home, whereas he can always evaluate for 6 - its not like I'm bidding the 5th & final club.
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Posted 2012-April-30, 03:27

I think I would start with X, see what happens. Who knows, partner may bid hearts?!

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Posted 2012-April-30, 17:54

 CSGibson, on 2012-April-29, 10:17, said:

We have a gadget for this - over 3C and 3D we use 4C to show a very strong single suited hand (stronger than a typical 4M/5m jump), so I would employ that gadget.

How do you show a strong 2-suited hand such as:
Sp and the other minor [ I assume 4S = Sp/Cl here over 3D preempt ],
Hts and the other minor [ I assume 4H = Hts/Cl ]
Both Majors [ I assume 4D! = Sp/Hts ] .

I also assume:
( 3m ) - 4C! - ( p ) - 4D! [ asks for long suit ]
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Posted 2012-April-30, 21:34

Yea of course you guys can start DBL, it is only 8-4 and ♦ void, nothing bad happens...

I'd bid 5♣
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Posted 2012-April-30, 21:43

 ahydra, on 2012-April-30, 03:27, said:

I think I would start with X, see what happens.

Usually when I wait to see what happens, I see what happens; and it isn't pretty.
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Posted 2012-April-30, 21:53

I'll double and bid 5 ♣ if partner bids ♠s.
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Posted 2012-May-01, 10:14

 aguahombre, on 2012-April-30, 21:43, said:

Usually when I wait to see what happens, I see what happens; and it isn't pretty.


Admittedly if partner passes you're going to be like :-$. But if he bids hearts that's awesome, anything else we just bid 5C.

What are the odds of partner passing... I guess higher than you might think given both him and LHO are unpassed hands and you have a void. On the other hand partner being an unpassed hand might lead you to missing a slam if you bid 5C straight off. For instance, partner won't move holding Kxxx Kxx Jxx xxx. On the other other hand, he may well not move (probably should do though) with this hand over X then 5C either.

Hmm, I don't know. X is certainly the only way to find a heart fit but given the risk of partner passing it (or LHO bidding 5D) perhaps 5C or 6C is better. If I had to just pick a number of clubs I would pick 5 playing IMPs, 6 at MPs.

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Posted 2012-May-02, 05:41

No easy answers, but it sounds like double and 6♣ are favourites!


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Posted 2012-May-02, 06:20

I understand 6H, but isn't it a bit lazy? Can you possibly have a better hand for partner? I think 6D is called for.
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Posted 2012-May-02, 06:27

Good point - 6♥ was lazy.

Pard just the contract tho, so we should have been in 7♥-1.
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Posted 2012-May-02, 06:45

I wonder what happens if west does not double 5♣. Maybe same thing, but maybe ...
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