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Sandwich No Trump Another convention to be canned?

#21 User is offline   JLOGIC 

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Posted 2012-August-29, 11:13

The first session of a regional last night, I held xx AK9xx A9x Axx. r/w it went 1D p 1H, I bid 1N and my partner bid 3N and it made. In the other room it went 1D p 1H p 1S p p. They balanced double, and their partner bid 1N and they passed. It is not as simple as just defending doubled, when they have very few HCP they are going to pass 1S, or they might bail out of 1N into 2D. I agree that if you have both of their suits locked up you can pass more often, but sometimes you are just 3-3 in their suits or 2-4 and you won't be able to just double. And sometimes they will stop in a third suit that you can't double. Sometimes it will go 1D p 1S and you will think, ok I got em, and it will go 2C p p to you and you won't be so happy.

At the very least I think it is a huge error to play sandwich NT r/w. On the flip side, it is probably fine/good to play it w/r even though I don't.
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Posted 2012-August-30, 14:51

View Postawm, on 2012-August-29, 10:37, said:

Certainly many people will open and respond light. But wouldn't we rather defend doubled than bid 3nt most of the times this happens? Beating 1ntX three tricks is usually better than 3nt... and we can't always make 3nt and still might extract 300 or 500 on defense. Further, if opponents have actual values, a plan of starting with double or pass may be safer than bidding 1nt in sandwich seat?


Many of the people who open/respond light don't play in 1NT. Typically

1C P 1D (hearts) P
1H (often a weak NT) P P ?

or

1C (polish) P 1D (neg) P
1H (4 hearts, often a weak NT) P P ?
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Posted 2012-September-01, 01:52

View Postjohnu, on 2012-August-29, 01:39, said:

Does anybody know how many good/expert players play sandwich NT as a 2 suited takeout? I thought that 1NT as strong and natural was standard. I've had a couple of people ask about it before the start of play, but "respectfully" declined.


The Bridge World 2001 system poll asked whether 1NT as a natural NT was acceptable or not. 78% of the experts participating said it was acceptable to be in the system, 22% said it was not.
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Posted 2012-September-01, 05:50

View Postjohnu, on 2012-September-01, 01:52, said:

The Bridge World 2001 system poll asked whether 1NT as a natural NT was acceptable or not. 78% of the experts participating said it was acceptable to be in the system, 22% said it was not.

Acceptable and preferable are defined differently.
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