Partner leads a small club which you win with the J, how do you continue?
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#1
Posted 2013-January-27, 23:40
Partner leads a small club which you win with the J, how do you continue?
#2
Posted 2013-January-28, 00:45
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#3
Posted 2013-January-28, 06:06
#4
Posted 2013-January-28, 10:23
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#5
Posted 2013-January-28, 10:37
#6
Posted 2013-January-28, 12:35
To fromage: if you are switching to diamonds regardless of coun maybe you should not play ♣J
#7
Posted 2013-January-28, 12:51
#8
Posted 2013-January-28, 12:52
Fluffy, on 2013-January-28, 12:35, said:
To fromage: if you are switching to diamonds regardless of coun maybe you should not play ♣J
I guess knowing we use 3/5 leads wouldn't help us if declarer is that lame.
#10
Posted 2013-January-28, 21:17
#12
Posted 2013-January-29, 05:49
bd71, on 2013-January-29, 02:26, said:
A key point I think.
I already erased a couple of things that I said so I was staying quiet until I thought more, but last night it occurred to me that this must be the first question: Why did partner lead a club at all? Partner is leading from a shaggy holding, hoping that some of my meager values are in the suit he chooses. I did bid 2♦ in response to his double. This doesn't promise much, but when looking to find values in my hand, it seems reasonable to turn to diamonds. The usual reason for partner not starting diamonds would be that he has the ace and fears, especially after the diamond cue by declarer, that the King is on his right. Maybe this is so. At any rate, I now think I am leading a diamond.
And I get this hand is a strong reason for playing 3/5 against suits.
#13
Posted 2013-January-29, 06:27
#14
Posted 2013-January-29, 06:39
Fluffy, on 2013-January-29, 06:27, said:
A good point. But if declarer has the 3 then partner has led from four, declarer has two cards in the suit, and he can/will play a spot higher than the 3. If declarer does not have the 3, he won't play the 3. So one way or the other, declarer will, presumably, follow with the non-3. Still, it would be good to know what in fact happened.
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Posted 2013-January-29, 09:03
#16
Posted 2013-January-29, 09:33
jillybean, on 2013-January-29, 09:03, said:
Your leads are 4th, declarer played the 3; that changes everything. Declarer in-fact made two dumb moves ---one in the auction, and the other in the play. We cash the other club trick.
#17
Posted 2013-January-29, 10:55
Otoh, if partner has the ace of diamonds I worry about just how I will explain not leading a diamond at trick 3 after I cash a second club at trick 2. [Aqua's correction below applies to a now deleted and really stupid remark]
I think I play the ace of clubs and watch partner's spot. If he has the KQxx of spades and lacks the ace of diamonds, I need to play a spade at trick 3. I expect him to inform me of this at trick 2.
Btw, this worry about explaining myself is a way of speaking. I don't play with people who expect me to justify my every choice.
#18
Posted 2013-January-29, 11:04
kenberg, on 2013-January-29, 10:55, said:
Was thinking about leading that club 7 at trick two and letting partner figure out what she is holding in spades or diamonds. Seems to knock off the squeeze value of the club queen, and I don't believe pard will imagine declarer ducking twice with Ace third of clubs.
#19
Posted 2013-January-29, 11:10
aguahombre, on 2013-January-29, 11:04, said:
Right. I deleted that from my comment, even before I saw what you said. I simply forgot I still would have the ace. Partner knows where the ace is, as you say.Really I think if partner is thinking, he should notice the discard problem and realize taking the spade ace off the board is a good idea.
In fact taking the spade ace off the board might be right even if declarer holds Qx. Clearly he has two spade tricks available then, but if by any chance that does not bring him up to 11 tricks, an early spade play might be just right. Say declarer has seven running hearts and AQx of diamonds. After Jack then Ace of clubs and a diamond, he plays the spade Q, this must be covered, he ruffs a club back to his hand and runs trump. Again partner must guard spades and can't.
It's really tough to understand what is going on. Has declarer really bid this way holding only the AK of hearts as key cards? With two small clubs? It makes little sense.
Maybe Aqua is right, lead a club back to partner's King. Partner knows whether he is holding the KQ of spades or the ace of diamonds, let him make the right play.It shouldn't be that hard.
#20
Posted 2013-January-30, 12:51
Now for tricks. Where was W thinking of finding 12?. Well, he stopped in 5. If W has ten tricks in his own hand then the spade ace on the board makes eleven and the hand is over after we take the clubs. I can't imagine W bidding this way with only eight tricks in his own hand. So W has a nine trick hand, most of them in hearts of course. This all seems like bizarre bidding for a guy with xx in clubs and K or Kx in diamonds, but maybe that's what he has. I think he has the diamond ace. AQ maybe. If so, Club, Club, Diamond won't work, Club, Club, Spade might, and even Club, Diamond might work.
Anyway, I am curious. West held what? I have further speculative thoughts but it would be sort of pointless to list them.