[yin970902]

If you are west,how to deal with the 2 hands as follows?
1.

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2.

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[JLOGIC]

4H and double. Both seem completely obvious.

[benlessard]

I would bid 4H on the first one but im not calling it obvious. Partner seems to have at least 5S, but with 5S& 4H hes should be agressive to make a negative double so i dont think 4H is that likely to make (assuming MP).

[Free]

4♥ and Dbl, indeed obvious imo.

[dake50]

Yup, 4H and Dbl.
Hope they don't have a C-void and lose only HAK(SK+HA on 2nd)
in 5D taking the push - when they were accepting 4D+1.
I think we are slightly out-gunned on this hand. Partner doesn't
rate to have the two winners we need, but he might.

[JLOGIC]

When you have game in your own hand opposite a reasonable fit (ie xxxxx xxxxx x xx), and the opponents have shown a huge fit then consider bidding game lol.

I mean, I don't know how often they bid 1D 2C 4D r/w but I would bet they usually have 10 diamonds. I also don't agree with the premise that partner has 5+ spades for sure, is LHO supposed to make a negative double with 4 spades and 6 diamonds? LHO can definitely have some spades. Even if partner has a doubleton diamond and 5+ spades, we still don't need to buy that well for game to be good. On top of all this, partner is marked with some high card points, maybe he has the queen of hearts or the queen of clubs or the ace of spades, who knows. Don't be so pessimistic. We know partner has short diamonds, the odds of catching a good fit in one of our suits is pretty likely, especially hearts as he hasn't bid 5C which he would often do with 1-4 in the minors. Partner is also a passed hand w/r and didn't preempt in spades so it makes it even more likely we catch a heart fit.

With huge and pretty likely upside, what is the downside? We go off in 4H or 5C when we would have beaten 4D? That's not great but that's such a narrow target and pretty small downside. I doubt we are getting doubled ever, yes they might be able to cash 2 diamonds but they won't know that and that makes it hard to double us.

Bidding on hand 1 is way more likely to result in something good than bidding on hand 2 imo, it's not even close, hand 1 is just a much better hand. Of course I'm happy doubling with hand 2 anyways.

[benlessard]

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is LHO supposed to make a negative double with 4 spades and 6 diamonds?

This mean that hes going to bid 4S over 4H and you wont like it.

What kind of hands north can have for passing 4D ? Can he be 12-14 bal ? I dont think so

Are you bidding 5D with any bal 18-19 ? (me yes). So IMO the most likely hand he can have is a medium 4441 with soft values.

Its hard to construct a possible layout, that why this hand is not obvious for me.

In the end I think

2263 or 3163 (6-7 pts with D concentration) ---15-16 pts 4441 (soft values)look like the most probable layout.

This give partner 6313 or 5413 too weak to make a neg double.

[JLOGIC]

Why can't they pass 4D with 12-14 balanced?

[yin970902]

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but I would bet they usually have 10 diamonds

yeah!About hand 1, my partner's hand is as this:

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[JLOGIC]

Haterz gun be mad bout partners pass. But his hand was what makes SLAM, obviously he could have had less for game to be good lol.

[ahydra]

Double on the second one looks very much like -710. If one of them has a club singleton we only have 2.5 tricks (partner rates to be near-bust), and heaven help us if they have a void.

As for the first one, I would bid 4H, and partner should consider slam with that 5-5 majors if I can bid one of his suits at the four-level - I rate to be something like 1426 and so he can see his hand fits perfectly.

ahydra

[ahydra]

double post, sorry

[benlessard]

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Why can't they pass 4D with 12-14 balanced?

Because there is no possible layout where south bid 4D and West pass and North has a 12-14 bal.

Even

Axxxx
xxxxx
x
xx

Axxxx
Qxxx
x
xxx

are negative doubles. So he either have less pts or not a great shape for us.

Anyway I was pretty sure that this post was going to be a waste of time and that either West or south had a complete misbid since its very hard to construct a legitimate layout here.

[JLOGIC]

I think you and I are very far off on how aggressively partner will be making a responsive double then. Axxxx xxxxx x xx is ridiculous, all we have done is overcall 2C w/r and now we are forcing to the 4 level with that hand?

[mfa1010]

4♥ on the first and D on the second. Both actions are clear, but we are more likely to hit a making contract on the first hand.

[jogs]

 yin970902, on 2013-May-05, 18:40, said:

yeah!About hand 1, my partner's hand is as this:

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Partner has a similar hand on hand 2?
What about the North hand?
4=1=7=1 or 1=4=7=1?
North didn't preempt because he held a 4 card major?