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Relay Responder
♠ A93
♥ J
♦ AK754
♣ T853
Relay Asker
♠ KQ2
♥ AQT94
♦ 82
♣ AKJ
3♥ - 4♣
4N
I think that RR needs to see 9 slam points to try for game in NT with this misfit
Best to stop low
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Auction Termination Hand 7
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Posted 2013-July-27, 14:17
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Posted 2013-July-27, 16:44
This appears to be a different hand 7 than the other thread. Might want to change the title.
3♥-4♣ QP, 8
4♦-4♠ 1-2 diamonds, no club (can't stop in 4N, might as well ask)
4N-5♥ exactly 1 spade, 2 diamonds (so given hand, or K♥ and A/KQ♦)
5N -P
A lot better with the K or J♥ than without.
hrothgar, on 2013-July-27, 14:17, said:
Relay Responder
♠ A93
♥ J
♦ AK754
♣ T853
Relay Asker
♠ KQ2
♥ AQT94
♦ 82
♣ AKJ
♠ A93
♥ J
♦ AK754
♣ T853
Relay Asker
♠ KQ2
♥ AQT94
♦ 82
♣ AKJ
3♥-4♣ QP, 8
4♦-4♠ 1-2 diamonds, no club (can't stop in 4N, might as well ask)
4N-5♥ exactly 1 spade, 2 diamonds (so given hand, or K♥ and A/KQ♦)
5N -P
A lot better with the K or J♥ than without.
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Posted 2013-July-27, 18:18
... 3♦ (shape)
3♥ - 4♣ (8 QP)
Jxx K AKxxx Qxxx is pretty cold, so it's worth at least asking.
4♦ - 4♥ (must be two top diamonds)
We need club queen here to have much play (there is a sure side loser and we need clubs as a trick source). If we relay with 4♠, partner will bid past 4NT only with club queen. That would be a hand like the above, or Axx x AQxxx Qxxx (which actually offers decent play for 6♣ on a dummy reversal). Probably worth a shot:
4♠ - 4NT (no top club)
This must be Axx x AKxxx xxxx (the actual hand) which is a poor slam, so we pass and play 4NT.
3♥ - 4♣ (8 QP)
Jxx K AKxxx Qxxx is pretty cold, so it's worth at least asking.
4♦ - 4♥ (must be two top diamonds)
We need club queen here to have much play (there is a sure side loser and we need clubs as a trick source). If we relay with 4♠, partner will bid past 4NT only with club queen. That would be a hand like the above, or Axx x AQxxx Qxxx (which actually offers decent play for 6♣ on a dummy reversal). Probably worth a shot:
4♠ - 4NT (no top club)
This must be Axx x AKxxx xxxx (the actual hand) which is a poor slam, so we pass and play 4NT.
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Posted 2013-July-28, 06:17
hrothgar, on 2013-July-27, 14:17, said:
Relay Responder
♠ A93
♥ J
♦ AK754
♣ T853
Relay Asker
♠ KQ2
♥ AQT94
♦ 82
♣ AKJ
3♥ - 4♣
4N
I think that RR needs to see 9 slam points to try for game in NT with this misfit
Best to stop low
♠ A93
♥ J
♦ AK754
♣ T853
Relay Asker
♠ KQ2
♥ AQT94
♦ 82
♣ AKJ
3♥ - 4♣
4N
I think that RR needs to see 9 slam points to try for game in NT with this misfit
Best to stop low
Straube
3♠-3N end signal, 6-8
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Posted 2013-July-28, 14:53
3♥ - 4♣ (QP? - 8QP)
There seems to be very few hands where slam is good (I think Adam's construction is missing DJ - Jxx K AKxxx Qxxx is only 11 tricks unless HJ falls, which is 36% of the time, with DJ it becomes 68%), or Axx K KQJTx xxxx (pretty much cold as long as D comes in), or Axx J AKJxx xxxx (D finesse or CQ doubleton) - I won't find the latter since I could not differentiate between this and Axx K Axxxx xxxx. Makes me wonder whether I should have used a different method.
On the actual hand:
4♦ - 4NT (control parity - odd, odd KQJ in ♦, even in ♠)
Pass
I will be worse placed than regular PCB if responder has Axx K Axxxx xxxx, since I will have to play 5NT.
There seems to be very few hands where slam is good (I think Adam's construction is missing DJ - Jxx K AKxxx Qxxx is only 11 tricks unless HJ falls, which is 36% of the time, with DJ it becomes 68%), or Axx K KQJTx xxxx (pretty much cold as long as D comes in), or Axx J AKJxx xxxx (D finesse or CQ doubleton) - I won't find the latter since I could not differentiate between this and Axx K Axxxx xxxx. Makes me wonder whether I should have used a different method.
On the actual hand:
4♦ - 4NT (control parity - odd, odd KQJ in ♦, even in ♠)
Pass
I will be worse placed than regular PCB if responder has Axx K Axxxx xxxx, since I will have to play 5NT.
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Posted 2013-July-29, 01:07
Somehow i didnt bid this hand.
Anyway Just 3nt and pass.
Anyway Just 3nt and pass.
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Posted 2013-July-29, 12:52
...-3♦ (shape)
3♠-3NT (puppet ; 6-8 QP's)
pass (not enough for slam imo)
3♠-3NT (puppet ; 6-8 QP's)
pass (not enough for slam imo)
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Posted 2013-July-29, 12:55
hrothgar, on 2013-July-27, 14:17, said:
3♥ - 4♣
4N
I think that RR needs to see 9 slam points to try for game in NT with this misfit
Best to stop low
4N
I think that RR needs to see 9 slam points to try for game in NT with this misfit
Best to stop low
Imo Relay Asker should bid 3NT instead of asking for QP's because you need RR to zoom for slam. This gives you 2 advantages:
- when RR has 8 QP's you can play a safer 3NT instead of 4NT (no difference for 6 or 7 QP's)
- when RR has 9 QP's or more, you're 1 step lower for your scan
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Posted 2013-July-29, 13:12
straube, on 2013-July-28, 06:17, said:
Straube
3♠-3N end signal, 6-8
3♠-3N end signal, 6-8
What are the rules for responder to zoom on over the terminator? Seems like in this case, responder should bid 4♣ with 8 QPs (base 5 + 3)?
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