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#1 User is offline   VM1973 

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Posted 2013-September-10, 11:24



Playing with a partner, no previous discussion, we reached 2. Suggest the best contract and a reasonable auction to reach it.
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Posted 2013-September-10, 11:30

Assuming you're playing some sort of 2/1, I think 2 is a gross over bid.

Standard, and ptobably best, is 1-1NT (forcing)-2-2-p
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Posted 2013-September-10, 13:06

VM you're finding your share of bad partners today.

In S/A systems a 2/1 promises a rebid so PD isn't good enough for 2.

Anyhow the WTP sequence is 1-1NT (whether forcing or not) 2-2 PASS.
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Posted 2013-September-10, 13:39

Playing either 2/1 (i.e. Forcing NT after a major opening) or standard, the auction turns out to be the same -- 1 - 1 NT - 2 - 2 .

Playing standard, a 1 NT response to a 1 of a major opening is a catch all response that just shows someplace between 5-10 value. There's absolutely no guarantees about stoppers or distribution. Opener can pass the 1 NT response with a flat minimum hand. Believe me, playing standard over the years, I've played 1 NT with some pretty strange looking hands when partner passed with a minimum 5-3-3-2 hand. With a lower ranking second 4 card suit, as in the hand queried about here, opener will normally bid it. It allows responder to take a preference or possibly bid a long suit if one is held. Here that's what should happen (i.e. 2 ). Opener with minimum values and a tolerance for s should pass 2 .

Playing 2/1, a 1 NT response to 1 of a major is forcing for 1 round. Again it is still a catch all response, but shows a wider range of values -- someplace between 5-12 value. After the Forcing NT response, opener only rebids his major with 6+ cards in the suit. With only 5 cards in the major, opener normally bids a lower ranking 4 card suit, or, without a 4 card suit rebids his lowest ranking 3 card suit. Any further rebid by responder below 2 NT shows 5-8 value and is non forcing. So here after opener rebids 2 , responder rebids 2 to show his heart length and opener passes.

It looks like in the actual auction, South overbid by bidding 2 , then couldn't find another bid when opener rebid his major.
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Posted 2013-September-10, 16:39

It doesn't matter on this hand if 1N is forcing or not, north is 54 so will bid 2C. 1S-1N-2C-2H is normal in most commonly played systems, and voila it works out well.
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Posted 2013-September-10, 17:06

Well, in fairness, it's probably a 2 response in most ACOL variants.
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Posted 2013-September-11, 09:34

View PostTylerE, on 2013-September-10, 17:06, said:

Well, in fairness, it's probably a 2 response in most ACOL variants.

Assuming it was an ACOL variant, how would the bidding go thereafter?
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Posted 2013-September-11, 10:01

View PostVM1973, on 2013-September-11, 09:34, said:

Assuming it was an ACOL variant, how would the bidding go thereafter?

1-2
2-3
pass

By the way, it's "Acol", not "ACOL", just as it's "Precision" not "PRECISION".
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Posted 2013-September-11, 10:11

Well I didn't know so I just followed the way the person above me had written it.
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Posted 2013-September-11, 10:26

This is not an interesting bridge hand; it belongs in N/B.
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Posted 2013-September-11, 10:40

View Postwyman, on 2013-September-11, 10:26, said:

This is not an interesting bridge hand; it belongs in N/B.

Sorry administrator. Surely you'll have no difficulty in moving it to the correct forum.
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Posted 2013-September-11, 11:03

View Postgnasher, on 2013-September-11, 10:01, said:

1-2
2-3
pass

By the way, it's "Acol", not "ACOL", just as it's "Precision" not "PRECISION".


Depends on agreements (we play 3 GF), many people will pass 2, 3 deserves 6 spades and 0-1. Make J a small spade, do you really want to bid 3 here ? particularly on a club lead.
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