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Posted 2013-December-20, 16:38



MP playing ACOL so 1C is 4+

N/S known for being a bit eccentric :lol:


what now?

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Posted 2013-December-20, 18:43

no room for science. just bid what you think you can make. if i were you, i'd think i could make 6c.
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Posted 2013-December-20, 18:47

I'd double.

 wyman, on 2012-May-04, 09:48, said:

Also, he rates to not have a heart void when he leads the ♥3.


 rbforster, on 2012-May-20, 21:04, said:

Besides playing for fun, most people also like to play bridge to win


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Posted 2013-December-20, 19:03

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Posted 2013-December-20, 19:40

at this vulnerability, double looks right. If partner removes, then I'm going slamming.
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Posted 2013-December-21, 09:10

6♣
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Posted 2013-December-21, 10:40

Double, if partner can pass this takeoutish double I like my chances for a good MP score in 4♥X.
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Posted 2013-December-21, 15:25

We think 6♣ is best.

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Posted 2013-December-21, 15:37

View Posteagles123, on 2013-December-20, 16:38, said:


MP playing ACOL so 1C is 4+

N/S known for being a bit eccentric :lol:


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Strong or weak NT, opening which suit with 4-4 blacks and which suit with 4-4 minors ?

My worry is that partner has ♥Kx and we're going off on a ruff
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Posted 2013-December-21, 20:17

Double. It looks like partner has to have values in the other side suits for a 2nd seat opening bid. The question is "Does partner have the right cards and distribution for slam?". The answer to that question is not known with any certainty. So, take your positive.

If partner shows an unwillingness to defend 4 ♥, then you can think about bidding on to slam.
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Posted 2013-December-22, 14:27

why is double not unanimous?
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Posted 2013-December-22, 17:10

View Postmfa1010, on 2013-December-21, 10:40, said:

Double, if partner can pass this takeoutish double I like my chances for a good MP score in 4♥X.


I think double is right too.

The problem with double is that partner will sometimes bid 4♠ when our best option was to defend 4♥ and moreover after 4♠ we are still not well placed to choose the level in clubs.
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Posted 2013-December-22, 23:27

Hopefully Partner notices the vulnerability as well. She won't be bidding 4S or anything else without some serious distribution.
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Posted 2013-December-23, 02:09

Full hand:


"definitely that's what I like to play when I'm playing standard - I want to be able to bid diamonds because bidding good suits is important in bridge" - Meckstroth's opinion on weak 2 diamond
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Posted 2013-December-23, 06:45

i should have said that i'm guessing you're playing pairs - you normally do. at imps, the difference between 920 and 800 isn't worth risking for.
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Posted 2013-December-23, 12:07

Then, there might be:



Where it is 800 vs -50 Put one of the red Jacks over there, if you don't like the opening bid.
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Posted 2013-December-23, 12:08

I would expect that the reason double isn't unanimous is that partner's got clubs or a strong NT, not clubs or a weak NT.

I, too, would be concerned about ♥Kx, but that's about it.
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Posted 2013-December-23, 19:10

View Postwank, on 2013-December-23, 06:45, said:

i should have said that i'm guessing you're playing pairs - you normally do. at imps, the difference between 920 and 800 isn't worth risking for.


Yes, OP says MP



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Posted 2013-December-23, 19:19

View PostFluffy, on 2013-December-22, 14:27, said:

why is double not unanimous?


I think expecting double to be unanimous here shows your lack of experience at bridge and especially at BBF.Posted Image

I bid 6♣, i was right. That does not mean it is the correct bid just because it turned out to be. But unanimous DBL ?



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Posted 2013-December-25, 18:59

View PostMrAce, on 2013-December-23, 19:19, said:

I bid 6♣, i was right.


I would say that you weren't right, but rather, that it didn't matter. My partners dn't leave take out doubles with singleton on their suit.
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