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#1 User is offline   Fluffy 

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Posted 2014-February-04, 06:21


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Posted 2014-February-04, 06:42

It's very tempting to bid 3NT.
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Posted 2014-February-04, 07:48

I would pass, at IMPS its tougher.
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Posted 2014-February-04, 11:40

Ill bid 4H.

At MP lho always has a tricky decision about raising to four or not when he has a reasonable hand, and basically any time they bid 4S I am happy.
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Posted 2014-February-04, 13:09

I'd pass. Any game seems to need quite a lot from partner, and I don't know which game to bid. 4♥ seems much more likely to provoke a double than a sacrifice.
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Posted 2014-February-04, 14:21

I would pass too. But what is tempting for Phil is also tempting for me, only if pd is aware of what i am doing, which is legally almost impossible.
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Posted 2014-February-04, 14:47

View Postphil_20686, on 2014-February-04, 11:40, said:

Ill bid 4H.

At MP lho always has a tricky decision about raising to four or not when he has a reasonable hand, and basically any time they bid 4S I am happy.

unless, of course, partner, with his stiff spade, decides to bid 5♥. My guess is that this will not usually turn out well
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Posted 2014-February-04, 15:12

I cannot imagine bidding here at any form of scoring unless a gun is at my temple.
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Posted 2014-February-04, 16:00

PASS

Much more tempted to bid at MP than at IMPS where getting slaughtered opposite a part score kind of ticks

partner off. We are in a VERY bad spot. We have not the slightest clue where to play or whose hand it is while

our LHO (very easily the stronger of the opps) has almost all the information they need to make a decision about

the hand. A 4H bid will not change their mind but it adds the possibility of a penalty X to their already vast

array of weapons they can use against us. It is only 1 board but still a bit too rich for my taste but give me the

heart J instead of a small heart and I will risk 4h so I have a ton of sympathy for the 4h bidders.



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Posted 2014-February-04, 16:44

I did a quick hand generation and I am now felling a bit smug. I just accidentally deleted the data, but 3NT was pretty huge. :)
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Posted 2014-February-04, 16:49

View PostPhilKing, on 2014-February-04, 16:44, said:

I did a quick hand generation and I am now felling a bit smug. I just accidentally deleted the data, but 3NT was pretty huge. :)

Hmm.... it just so happens you deleted the data, eh?


I'm in the passing camp. We will go down opposite a balanced 10 quite often (especially double dummy, which PhilKing's simulations use), LHO might be waiting with a decent hand and a double, and we're going to be in the wrong game every time partner has 3 or 4 hearts and can't bid them. In addition, if partner happens to have a good hand he will push us too high.
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Posted 2014-February-04, 17:26

View PostLord Molyb, on 2014-February-04, 16:49, said:

I'm in the passing camp. We will go down opposite a balanced 10 quite often (especially double dummy, which PhilKing's simulations use), LHO might be waiting with a decent hand and a double, and we're going to be in the wrong game every time partner has 3 or 4 hearts and can't bid them. In addition, if partner happens to have a good hand he will push us too high.


No we are not. 3N could easily still be the only winning game, if partner's hand is (also) balanced.

In the Friday night duplicate this is an easy 3N, but in real bridge I wouldn't do it. Give me a few minor suit quacks to boost partner's stoppers, and I'll be there.
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Posted 2014-February-04, 17:32

View PostLord Molyb, on 2014-February-04, 16:49, said:

Eespecially double dummy, which PhilKing's simulations use.


Please don't assume what you have no knowledge of. I don't use DD sims - ever. I am in the camp that believes them to be close to useless in the majority of scenarios.

I generate hands I believe to be consistent with the auction, estimating how the auction and play will go and take it from there. If you want to dismiss that, fine. I doubt I will have time to do another one, since it was quite time consuming.

If you want to do one yourself, go to http://www.playbridge.com and enter the spec. You never know, you might learn something.
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Posted 2014-February-04, 17:34

View PostPhilKing, on 2014-February-04, 17:32, said:

I don't use DD sims - ever.

I generate hands I believe to be consistent with the auction and take it from there, estimating how the auction and play will go and take it from there. If you want to dismiss that, fine.

whoops, my bad.
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Posted 2014-February-05, 04:49

There are some follow ups.

You can play the full hand here:

http://bridgegod.com....php?probid=162
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Posted 2014-February-05, 04:49

View PostPhilKing, on 2014-February-04, 17:32, said:

If you want to do one yourself, go to http://www.playbridge.com and enter the spec. You never know, you might learn something.

I did that, and I learned something. I like 3NT now.
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Posted 2014-February-05, 10:24

View PostPhilKing, on 2014-February-04, 17:32, said:

If you want to do one yourself, go to http://www.playbridge.com and enter the spec. You never know, you might learn something.

I've generated boards but is there analytics? Can I analyze which contracts make, what the best bids are etc.?
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Posted 2014-February-05, 17:37

View PostHighLow21, on 2014-February-05, 10:24, said:

I've generated boards but is there analytics? Can I analyze which contracts make, what the best bids are etc.?

I am not sure how Phil is supposed to know whether you are able to analyse what would happen on any given deal.
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Posted 2014-February-06, 09:06

View Postcherdano, on 2014-February-05, 17:37, said:

I am not sure how Phil is supposed to know whether you are able to analyse what would happen on any given deal.

Of course he knows. Phil has a very realistic HighLow21 simulator :)
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Posted 2014-February-07, 07:01

View Posthelene_t, on 2014-February-06, 09:06, said:

Of course he knows. Phil has a very realistic HighLow21 simulator :)

And probably a searchable HighLow21 database to go with it.
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